Shot the .44 Magnum Contender......

[EMC45]

Load was 429-421K 250gr. over 20gr. of Hercules 2400. It was brisk to say the least. This is my SBH and 1894 load. It is a different animal in the Contender!!

[lathesmith]

Yes, your not just kidding. I don't know what it is about the 44 mag Contender, but loads that I can handle in my Ruger SBH were downright painful in the 44 mag Contender barrel I used to own. Heck, even heavy-bullet 357 loads start getting mighty uncomfortable, and if you are shooting off a bench you better have your elbows padded good, as there is something particularly painful about getting your elbow driven into a hard wooden bench...

Ouch! It hurts just thinking about it!

lathesmith

[redneckdan]

You are gaining 200-300 fps in the contender over the wheel gun. The same occurs in your leeeever gun but the extra weight helps off set it.

[7br]

I have shot contenders in .30-30, 7-30 waters and 7tcu. None of them barked my knuckles like the .44 mag. The overtravel screw would remove the hide from my off hand.

[mnkyracer]

What length bbl are you using? I have a 14" that I have only run bullets thru (no 44 mold yet). Fun to shoot (with elbow padding, gloves, face mask, shin guards).

[btroj]

I don't have a 44 mag barrel but any hard kicker off the bench is tough on the elbows. Elbow pads help but it still hurts after a while. I do find this is a good way to find any grit or slivers on the bench top.
I actually prefer shooting mine prone with a short bipod. I did have to rebuild the barrel hanger as the swivel stud stripped out of the threads due to recoil. I find this a much more comfortable position.

[44man]

I hate the contender! [smilie=1:
It was designed as a knuckle destroyer! :lol:

[Shuz]

Load was 429-421K 250gr. over 20gr. of Hercules 2400. It was brisk to say the least. This is my SBH and 1894 load. It is a different animal in the Contender!!

I have a set of rubber Pacmyr(sp) grips on my Contender. They helped a lot with perceived re-coil and make the 7mmTCU easy to shoot. However, I once owned a .44 mag 10" bbl and that was a real beast to shoot. Didn't take me long to sell that bbl!
I honestly believe my 329PD is more pleasant to shoot than the .44mag in a 10" Contender.

[bobthenailer]

over 30 years ago i bought a contender with the older skinny grips in 44 mag with a lighter octigon barrel . i have never fired any hand gun that hurt as much as that gun did ,I dident keep the barrel long ! i bought a 22 jet barrel
I can shooting full loads from a FA 454 casull with one hand is more pleasent than shooting that contender in 44 mag with 2 hands .

[Kraschenbirn]

Both the .44 and .41 Contender barrels have a reputation for being downright nasty to shoot. At different times, I've owned both and found that I needed to back my loads (way!) down. The recoil of the heavy CB load I was shooting in a 10" DW for IHMSA, literally, sheared off the forearm screw of a 10" Contender barrel on the third or fourth shot. Backed down to a "starting load" powder charge and the boolit sized to fit a "tight" chamber/barrel throat, MV from the Contender was nearly the same as from the DW and recoil much more manageable.

Bill

[jh45gun]

I like my Encore even when I shot it in 308 it was manageable and not a problem. Heavier gun and a well designed grip makes a difference.

[EMC45]

My barrel is a SS 10in Bull with Adj sights. It shook the fore end screw loose and then turned it into an "S" shaped piece of scrap! Luckily (THANK GOD) I had another one in a parts bin from some reloading gear I bought a while ago. The totes full of stuff I bought had a bunch of Contender stuff in it.

[Geraldo]

Both the .44 and .41 Contender barrels have a reputation for being downright nasty to shoot. Bill

I've got both .41 and .44 mag in 14" barrels. Maybe it's having shot a lot of .44, but the .41 seems pretty tame. The .44 TC did literally tear apart a Nikon pistol scope, but I'm not sure it's worse than my .30-30 barrel.

[DragoonDrake]

Idk I found just that wearing gloves took away any problems I had. I have shot some hot stuff to say I did it, but I have found that 300+ bullets pushed by 14.5grs of 2400 seated to just touch is the trick for that barrel. I have gone as high as 350 grain with the same powder charge and have NOT had problems. The most abusive barrel I own is the 14'' 45-70. That barrel is one that I get tired after about 30 rounds.

[wellfedirishman]

My barrel is a SS 10in Bull with Adj sights.

I have the same barrel (blued 10", with a Nikon 2x scope on it). With a Pachmayer grip, it is ok to shoot even with meaty loads (24 gr of H110 + 200 gr Oregon Trail hardcast bullet). The concussion from this load sure turns heads at the range.

I got a 3 inch group @ 100 yards with this load, so it is a shooter.

[Matthew 25]

I've got a Contender in 44 with a 10" barrel. I've only run one lead load through it, the always safe, pleasant and accurate 9g unique + 240swc. I was so excited when I found I shot a one hole group at 100y sitting. Then I looked a little closer and discovered it was actually a 240swc sideways in my target. I found a few other key-holes further out on the cardboard. So much for the one-hole group. That pistol will, however, shoot a 240xtp like nobody's business.

[firefly1957]

I have a super 14 in 44 magnum and it does kick bad will give you a flinch fast. I did put a Pachmeyer rubber grip on it to help . The gun is very accurate just not fun to shoot I have another frame with 10" barrels in 256 Win. Mag, 30-30 Win. and 357-44 Brain and Davis none of them kick like that 14 inch 44 magnum barrel. The Brain and Davis is a little harder on the wrist and it is magnaported.

[Walt]

Idk I found just that wearing gloves took away any problems I had. I have shot some hot stuff to say I did it, but I have found that 300+ bullets pushed by 14.5grs of 2400 seated to just touch is the trick for that barrel. I have gone as high as 350 grain with the same powder charge and have had problems. The most abusive barrel I own is the 14'' 45-70. That barrel is one that I get tired after about 30 rounds.

Having shot a friends 14" 45-70 with some of his "hot" stuff, I'll have to say you are one hell of a man if you can stand 30 rounds of that abuse in one sitting!

[bearcove]

The heavy stuff is for hunting. I don't shoot the .444 marlin barrel for a plinker. That is why I have a 22lr and 7-30 waters barrel. My 8" 45 colt barrel is great, until you turn the page and start loading off the ruger only data.

[DragoonDrake]

What I can't stand is the 460 sw mag. I have shot it in the x-frame and encore. That beats me up. My hand is sore and after five rounds I start to flinch.

[timkelley]

Like Bobthenailer I had a 10 inch octigon 44 barrel about 30 years ago. That thing would make a grown man cry, I traded it off most quickly:grin:.

[Groo]

Groo here
The Contender and the Encore are a different kettle of fish..
The original grips are designed to inflect maximum pain [ I think for 357 only]
Having owned a few JDJ handcannyons ,, the way to shoot heavy kickers is
some what specific.
Rubber grips are a must as the correct grip [ the support hand is over not under the
hook on the trigerguard, and you learn to let them run a little.
With the big stuff [ 45-70 500gr Jackets at 1300 from a 14in]
porting or breaks are a must as on unported gun will crack you in the web of the thumb
with great gusto.....

[EMC45]

Oh yes, the web of my hand (Thumb/forefinger) got tenderized...Nicely.

[Three44s]

I'd drop back to a load from Hodgon's #26 with a Contender for "everyday" use:

The load is a 250 gr. lead slug with magnum primers and a start of 10 gr. and max of 12 gr. of HS-6 powder. (I settled on 11.8 gr. of HS-6) The later Hod manuals go much higher with that powder and misses the point of it: At the 10 -12 charge range, it runs where lead ought to run for pressures and sweetened WW alloy.

It's a real nice upper medium field load in a Smith Mountain Gun and my neighbor with a 10" and 14" .44 mag in Contender says it's SWEET!

My Ruger DA's just sit still and grin with this load .... sort of takes the fun outa the process ............

Three 44s

[Three44s]

I don't have a 44 mag barrel but any hard kicker off the bench is tough on the elbows. Elbow pads help but it still hurts after a while. I do find this is a good way to find any grit or slivers on the bench top.
......................................


You might consider sand paper on your elbow pads and do double duty ........... sand those slivers away!!


Three 44s

[sargenv]

It's funny, but I had a 12" compensated 44 magnum that was so easy to shoot it was boring.. I didn't spare powder or bullet, and every round went exactly where I wanted it to with no fuss, no extreme recoil, nothing.. Bear in mind that I had previously been shooting a non compensated 14" 30-30 which had all the recoil and blast that I'd ever really want.. I think I sold the .44mag and later picked up an equally boring 10" 357 barrel that I still have.. Maybe I just outgrew shooting single shots..

[HEAD0001]

It is really not fair to compare the recoil unless you are comparing loads that have the same velocity. In a Super 14 you should be able to considerably reduce your load and match the velocity of a 6" or even an 8" revolver. When you match the velocities you will see a good bit less recoil.

So you really need to compare aples to apples. Right now you are comparing apples to oranges.

PLus I bet that Contender is more accurate than about any standard revolver you will ever own. Including the better Smith's. I know my Contender wil out shoot my Performance Center Stealth Hunter, and the Stealth Hunter shoots awesome, but then so does the Contender.

Alot of people don't give the Contender a chance. Buy a good grip that fits and lower your load to revolver velocities. That will make you happy. Or keep the higher velocity and accept the higher recoil.

Heck a 14" Contender can almost turn a 45 Colt into a 6" 454 . Tom.

[stubshaft]

The ability to shrug off recoil is dependent on what your used to. If you tell a competitive silhouette shooter that the recoil of a 44 is brutal, they'll give you a funny look. They generally shoot 100 - 300 rounds a month with calibers that exceed the recoil of a 44. It has nothing to do with being macho it is just a fact. If you practice with heavy calibers you will become inured to the recoil generated.

[MJR007]

My Smith AirLite PD can also be unpleasent to shoot over a few rounds but is great in the holster. Nothing is perfect.

[btroj]

Yep, recoil is very subjective.
I will say that I found the Pachmayers to make a huge difference in my contender. Never noticed a problem when I only had my K hornet barrel. Stepped up to a 309 JDJ and holy cow, those wood grips suck. I even use a shooting glove most of the time with the big barrel.
A fun that is brutal to me may not cause a bit of trouble for someone else. It is all so subjective it is hard to make a fair comparison that means anything to someone else.

Brad

[stubshaft]

This is the 6" 44 Stubbie that I plink with. I load 10.0 AA#5 behind a 265gr NEI.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss20/stubshaft123/500002.jpg

[redneckdan]

My sawed off .357 octagon

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/redneckdan/IMGP3827.jpg

[ColColt]

Without question, the worse pain I ever received from a handgun was the Thompson Contender in 44 Magnum. It was like opening your hand and someone taking a baseball bat and swatting it briskly. Shot it once and quit. I guess I'm just not into pain.

[Dale53]

I have a number of Contender frames and barrels. My worst recoiler was a full house .444 Magnum. Now, THAT was brutal. It was beyond heavy. It was going to break something - I got rid of that barrel. On the other hand, I bought a JD Jones custom barrel for his .375 JDJ (270 gr jacketed bullet at 1900+ fps) that has Jones' compensator on it. This barrel, while the recoil is heavy, is quite shootable. One day I was shooting it at 25 yards, standing, and shot a 100x100 with 10 X's but I shot five, laid it down for a few minutes, picked it up and finished the string. I could feel the pressure building for a flinch - hence the delay. This round has taken elephants and Cape Buffalo, so it is quite a handful, but, as I said before, quite shootable. The muzzle brake and Leupold scope make all the difference in real recoil. It doesn't rise in recoil, just comes straight back, HARD! However, with the Packmayr grips it can be handled.

FWIW
Dale53

[Matthew 25]

OK you two with the snub-nose Contenders....you're nuts.
I like them, but you're nuts.
I agree the 10" 44 with Pachmayrs will alert your hands to a stinging sensation, but my new BFR 454 with heavy loaded 335s is a little on the unpleasant side. Those rubber grips make a little polkey-dot imprint into my hand with the first shot. So now I'm beginning to think that the dumbed down 335s at 1300fps (that don't hurt) aren't a whole lot better than the full house 310s from my 44.

[dk17hmr]

I shoot a 14" 444 marlin Contender its not to bad it has a a muzzle tamer brake on it and I shoot 250gr bullets out at close to 2000fps....my worst barrel was the 45 win mag, it just wasnt fun to shoot. 200gr at 1850fps made me bleed more than once.

The 375 win I have is a 21" barrel and it gets your attention when loaded right up.

[blaser.306]

I can relate to recoil , I have a 7mm rimmed international super 14" ( reasonably pleasant ) A .357 max with 200 gr cast in a super 14" again( reasonably pleasant ) , a 10" 7mm tcu goes without saying , However the super 14" .445 supermag 330 gr. gas checked cast with 29.5 gr of AA 1680 realy lets you know that it has sent one down range . But as others have mentioned it is always a crowd pleaser when they get to watch someone else abuse themselves for the sake of the sport !

[cbrick]

This is the 6" 44 Stubbie that I plink with. I load 10.0 AA#5 behind a 265gr NEI.

Stubshaft, what sights are these? Thanks.

Rick

[stubshaft]

Those are the original Super 14 sights. They came on the early 14" barrels.

[casterofboolits]

My first contender was the one with the 44 shotshell adaptor back in the 70's and had the really bad early grips. My load was 18.5 grains of 2400 under a Lyman #429421 44-245-SWC.

I ws plinking on the 100 yard range at clay birds and fired 97 rounds before the quarter sized blister at the base of my thumb burst. I retired the short barell, bought a 10" heavy barrel and the Pachmeyer grips and fore end and lived happily ever after .

[Snapping Twig]

Nastiest handgun I ever fired was a Contender in .44mag and .35 Rem.

No good reason for these other than a desire to hurt one's self.

A guy used to come to the range every Saturday and always insisted that I try his latest loads. I remember the .35 Rem to clearly be the worst offender with a 250g bullet. Being a young lad, I always accommodated him and shot a few rounds.

Lessons learned.

[Ed K]

Seeing lots of Contender criticism here. Stop and think a moment about the versatility for a moment. Perhaps a little effort should be taken to adapt the platform to the job.

You really can't split logs with a hatchet. You wouldn't use a 8 lb maul to knock a couple lower limbs from a small tree. With the Contender a little added weight in stocks and maybe mounts & optics can make quite a difference. And no I'm not the guy who shoots the 600NE Encore :)

[rintinglen]

I hate the contender! [smilie=1:
It was designed as a knuckle destroyer! :lol:

I agree whole heartedly--it is the least fun gun I ever shot. I spent 3 months shooting 22'sto get rid of the flinch I got from a 30-30 barreled model. :sad:

[pmer]

The first hand gun I reloaded for was a super 14 in 44 Mag. I bought it used with Pacmeyer grips. Being young I always pushed it hard and burnt pound after pound of powder. AA #9, 296, H110 and IMR4227. Never shot anything faster than #9. I shot it with the palm of my left hand catching the bottom corner of the grip to help keep the front sight from droping below the target. The recoil of some loads would give the gun a clockwise twist.

That to me was very shootable and didn't hurt with the rubber grip. But the Contender I couldn't handle was a 45-70 carbine with the butt stock. Oh man that thing was brutal, I could only shoot it a few times and would be done.

[Nanook]

A few years back, I won a T/C Contender with a 10" .44 Mag barrel in a raffle.

Took it to the range, with a brand new box of ammo. Fired it a few times, and it felt like a grenade was going off in my hands. Turned to my shooting buddy, who is a big bore fan, and offered a trade.

He traded me for it, and it never even went home with me that first day. LOL

I wouldn't mind one in .223, but the .44 was just too much.

[EMC45]

New gripset made this Contender a good bit easier to handle. Still stiff, but nicer.

[Dale53]

I have a couple of Contender pistol frames and several barrels. The heaviest recoiling barrel I now have is the .375 JDJ. It drives a 270 gr bullet at 1900+ fps and you DO know when it goes. However, with the Pachmayr grip set, it doesn't hurt at all.

I used the .30 carbine with a 165 gr bullet for Hunter's Pistol competition. It shot so flat, I didn't adjust the sights between 40 and 100 yards. I did hold off a bit at 100 (top of the ram) but my pistol was always sighted in (2 power Leupold scope).

So, with proper management, the Contender can be quite usable. On the other hand, with the old skinny barrel and those "square" wooden grips in .410 shotgun that was absolutely PAINFUL!

Pachmayrs forever!!

Dale53

[EMC45]

The grips I took off were the older "splinter" type. The new (to me) grips are more hand filling. Shot some specials from it and they were like a stiff .38 special load.

[headblade]

I got me a g2 Contender in 44 mag. 14" flavor about 2 weeks ago. I will agree that recoil is sure something and I love it except for the part where it skins up my trigger finger on the frame ( at the second knuckle). This is my first TC pistol so I'm sure I'll have to learn a few things. I do have a question for anybody who might have some info tho. I have tried shooting Laser-Cast and Missouri Bullet Company 240 grain swc and they both seem to keyhole even at 15 yards. Right now I just load 240 gr XTPs to solve that problem but I'd like to be able to shoot them less expenise boolits if possible. So any tips are appreciated.

[EMC45]

I got me a g2 Contender in 44 mag. 14" flavor about 2 weeks ago. I will agree that recoil is sure something and I love it except for the part where it skins up my trigger finger on the frame ( at the second knuckle). This is my first TC pistol so I'm sure I'll have to learn a few things. I do have a question for anybody who might have some info tho. I have tried shooting Laser-Cast and Missouri Bullet Company 240 grain swc and they both seem to keyhole even at 15 yards. Right now I just load 240 gr XTPs to solve that problem but I'd like to be able to shoot them less expenise boolits if possible. So any tips are appreciated.



I know that Laser-Cast are rock hard and are probably right at .429. They may not be "slugging up" to your groove diameter. (Under-sized)

[Larry Gibson]

headblade

What load with the Laser-Cast?

Larry Gibson

[headblade]

The box for the Laser Cast says .431 diameter and the Missouri Bullets .430. I think they both claim 18 brinell hardness. I tried a range between 20.5 grains and 23.3 grains of H-110 using Remington Brass and CCI 300 primers.

[AZ-JIM]

Idk I found just that wearing gloves took away any problems I had. I have shot some hot stuff to say I did it, but I have found that 300+ bullets pushed by 14.5grs of 2400 seated to just touch is the trick for that barrel. I have gone as high as 350 grain with the same powder charge and have NOT had problems. The most abusive barrel I own is the 14'' 45-70. That barrel is one that I get tired after about 30 rounds.


Having shot a friends 14" 45-70 with some of his "hot" stuff, I'll have to say you are one hell of a man if you can stand 30 rounds of that abuse in one sitting!
+1

I love to shoot full power 44 mag in wheelguns, I haven't shot it in a contender. I can't imagine it being comparable or worse than the 45-70. I just shot the 45-70 contender for the first time last weekend, I didn't have any handloads so I used the factory Federal 300 grain jacketed hollow points that I had. :holysheep that thing is two hands full! I didn't think it was painfull to shoot but I had the deathgrip on it with both hands and could not keep the forend in my hand. I have a video of it and man does it look nasty, two rounds was enough for this outing!

az-jim

[2shot]

I have shot my Contender .44 Mag Hunter for some 20 years now and don't find the recoil bad at all. Maybe because I always use a sling in the proper way while shooting this gun and it helps keep the recoil and muzzle flip down. Use a sling and this combo is a pleasure to shoot and easily keeps MOA. :Fire:

2shot

[Larry Gibson]

The box for the Laser Cast says .431 diameter and the Missouri Bullets .430. I think they both claim 18 brinell hardness. I tried a range between 20.5 grains and 23.3 grains of H-110 using Remington Brass and CCI 300 primers.

That load is pushing those PB'd commercial cast too fast and too hard out of your 14" barrel. Suggest you try Unique powder. Start at 8 gr and work up in 1/2 gr to 11.5 gr. Best accuracy with such bullets out of my Contender barrel comes between 1100 - 1150 fps. My standard revolver load for such bullets is 9 1/2 or 10 gr of Unique. However that load pushes them at 1224 fps out of my 8.4" Contender. It would be more out of your 14" barrel.

GC'd cast bullets will be best for top end magnum loads in your Contender. I use 429244 and the 429640 "Devestator" with excellent accuracy at top end. I use 23 gr H110 under both and the 275 gr bullets run 1490 fps out of my shorter barrel. I imagine close to 1600 fps out of your 14" barrel with that load. It pushes a 30,200 psi as measured with an Oehler M43 BTW. Photo shows the Devestators and a speed loader for my Anaconda.

Larry Gibson

[Blammer]

all this chatter about contenders and 44mag brls is just making me itch to get mine back in action. :D

I have/had the 7-30 waters brl on it for a while now.

Gotta get back to the 44! :)

[headblade]

Ok. Thanks very much for that info Larry. I will have to give that a try.:smile:

[EMC45]

My sawed off .357 octagon

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/redneckdan/IMGP3827.jpg

I just put a set of these Pachs on my Contender....Now a completely different animal in .44 Mag! They work very well. Shot some Keith loads last night and they were tame in comparison to what the other ones were like with the wood grips.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

My Encore pistol in 454 casull is a knuckle-busting punisher IF you are not careful how you grip it. I grip my Encore differently than I do all my other pistols. I prefer to keep the skin on my knuckles.

Took me about 50 rounds to conquer my flinch with this beast. Now, everything else is cake.

Getting ready to get rid of the wood stocks and get some pachmyers.

[redneckdan]

I just put a set of these Pachs on my Contender....Now a completely different animal in .44 Mag! They work very well. Shot some Keith loads last night and they were tame in comparison to what the other ones were like with the wood grips.



Yup, amazing the difference. That little sucker used to rip the web of my hand open with the old T/C wood/rubber grip that was on it.

[EMC45]

had the narrow little "splinter" grip to begin with. Went on to a fuller fatter wood grip, then I found the Pachs on GBO.

[tward]

Recently picked up a 10" 44 mag bbl and have been loading 44 specials for it. I have used the lee 240 gr TL Boolit and the lee 200 gr RNFP. I used the classic skeeter load of 7.5 gr Unique. These are fun to shoot and I doubt anything down range from it would feel well if I did my part. Tim

[BCB]

I liked the recoil so much with my Super 14” 44 Magnum that I had it rechamber to 445 Super Magnum!!!...
(Only joking about enjoying the recoil)…

I actually never got good accuracy at all from the 44 Magnum barrel as the chamber was so long that I could almost chamber a 445 or it seemed that way…

The 445 was much more accurate but shooting a 429650 (320+ grains) at 1490 fps and an RCBS 44-240-SWC at 1762 fps made one aware that the primer did not fail to fire…

Really not a pleasure to shoot at all, but it is fairly accurate out to 200 yards, especially with the 429650…

I just hold it loosely and let the handgun recoil as it wishes. Most times it actually turns a bit to the left or right and ends up not inline after all quiets down. If you hold it tightly, you got problems…

I do use a Pachmeyer glove to protect the middle finger from the trigger guard…

Good-luck…BCB

[dubber123]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh83/dubber123/IMG_3023.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/dubber123/media/IMG_3023.jpg.html) I"m guessing some might not like this one. Its really not that bad.

[bhn22]

Been having problems with tigers climbing on your elephants, huh?

[WALLNUTT]

Had my Super 14 rechambered to 430JDJ. Shoots much better.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh83/dubber123/IMG_3023.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/dubber123/media/IMG_3023.jpg.html) I"m guessing some might not like this one. Its really not that bad.
i like that one a lot would make a nice woods walker

[ubetcha]

I truly enjoy my super 14" in 30-30.I shoot it all summer for IHMSA matches. My favorite load is 18.5 gr SR 4759 under a RCBS 165 gr sil bullet. Have a Tasco scope on it w/target turrents. Mild recoil and more accurate than I probably can hold.

[dubber123]

i like that one a lot would make a nice woods walker

It weighs 2-1/2 pounds, and has a 2-1/2 pound trigger. T/C sights are ugly, but a joy to use. This one will shoot under 1" at 50 yds. with a few different loads, the inexpensive LEE 450 grainer actually being the accuracy champ. Velocity with a 450 runs right around 1,000 fps. from the short barrel.

[Groo]

Groo here
The lightest shortest contender is my 411JDJ. [A 444 necked to 41]
If the gun is set up correctly and you use the correct hold shooting 375's and 45-70 with heavy bullets is not a problem.
One , you need to shoot Rubber grips-Two , you need to port or install a brake-Three , a scope will not hurt [at least 3 rings , 4 is better]
Shooting grip should not be a death grip nor should you try to "hold it down" [ porting or the brake will do that enough]
AND the support hand needs to me on over the shooting hand but not under the trigger guard extension.[ Did that ONCE now 2 fingers on the trigger guard-to fingers on the shooting hand]
PS The 411 is a 10 in barrel with iron sights and an arrester break from ssk ,is easy to shoot one handed short and light to carry and
drives a 210 gr bullet at 2000fps.

[redneckdan]

Shot some of these yesterday. 375 JDJ launching a 400gr WFN over 55gr of WC860 & 5 gr Promo. Definitely not a contender safe load. Was tolerable with the JP brake. Had a stupid moment and spun the brake off then touched off the last round. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!! I swear to god that thing swung my arms overhead and the barrel smacked me in the ***! Or at least it sure felt like that's what happened!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/redneckdan/3E8BD8CB-0FF6-4E66-8FC5-9D173BDB4F99-4944-00000CE8CB9134EF_zps7160d26d.jpg

[birddog]

I've got the 12" bbl w/muzzle brake and it also has an extra long throat, so bullets are seated out to lands and at least
.200" longer than normal 44mag. Shot extremely well at 100yds. Normal groups back then were right at 1 1/4".
Charlie