600 yds. KIK 1F

[RMulhern]

Finally got a decent day to shoot this afternoon so fired this group from 600 yds. using the Shiloh 45 2 7/8 w/bull barrel. Load was 107 grs. KIK 1F, WLR primer, 3/16" BM lube cookie, Norma cases, BACO .446" Money bullet at 1-16 alloy patched up to .453" and seated such that the front of the patch was just barely into the lands! Used .060" veggie wad on both sides of the cookie. This would be a good target from 1000 yds. but from 600 this is all I could muster![smilie=b::killingpc[smilie=b: This is what I classify as an azzhole target; shot all the way around center!!

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[giz189]

Just been a long winter. Need to get back in shooting form, but that don't look to bad to me.

[cajun shooter]

Rick, That is some fine shooting for sure. I would be proud to have one like it. Your PP ammo is a thing of beauty itself. I have the pics that you posted way back on how to do the PP ammo. Later David

[Longwood]

[QUOTE=RMulhern;1258906]Finally got a decent day to shoot this afternoon so fired this group from 600 yds. using the Shiloh 45 2 7/8 w/bull barrel. Load was 107 grs. KIK 1F, WLR primer, 3/16" BM lube cookie, Norma cases, BACO .446" Money bullet at 1-16 alloy patched up to .453" and seated such that the front of the patch was just barely into the lands! Used .060" veggie wad on both sides of the cookie. This would be a good target from 1000 yds. but from 600 this is all I could muster![smilie=b::killingpc[smilie=b: This is what I classify as an azzhole target; shot all the way around center!!

Nice shooting!
Any better and it would be "Boring",,, No it wuun't!

I noticed a small Sharpie mark near the rim of one of your cartridges, in your photo's, that appeared to be in line with the star on the base.
Do you chamber each round, in the same orientation, each time?

[RMulhern]

Now....here's the rest of the story! That above load is as useless as tits on a boar hog...which is my final analysis in several testing sessions from 800 yards! I've tried 3 different bullets which are known to be accurate, different compression rates, primers, etc. and I have not been able to keep all the shots on a 72"x72" mainframe plate! The 20" ten ring plate is the safest area of all and when good shots are called the impact point will be anywhere but where it is expected! Under good conditions, using what one would consider good assembled ammo and correction is made to go to center and then the impacts are way off....you've got major problems! The rifle and sights are in good condition, nothing afoul with the equipment and my vision is good but I cannot get this powder to work for me from the 800! Apparently I'm not by myself because another shooter whom post here and knows how to tend to business advised that it was impossible for him to keep all his shots on the paper during a 1000 yd. paper match! I've had it!

[montana_charlie]

Rick,
Sometime back you posted about a load that didn't shoot for you like you thought it should.
It seems that you decided it was the bullet causing that dissatisfaction.

Is this a bullet that you trust ... so you can safely lay the blame on the powder?

CM

[RMulhern]

CM

Charlie...it was 'suggested' to me that it MIGHT BE the bullet but I proved to myself that this isn't the case as I went back into my data book and I have fired some 'burner' groups from 1000 yds. using all 3 of these bullets tested using another powder source. It may be that the 2F will do better but I have not to date gone back to 800 yds. with it for testing! Mind you....the results are just MY RESULTS and doesn't mean that it won't work for someone else!

[montana_charlie]

Mind you....the results are just MY RESULTS and doesn't mean that it won't work for someone else!
I fully understand.
I have enough Cartridge to last me quite a while, but I am 'collecting opinions' on Kik, and others. By the time I need powder, you guys will probably have it all sorted out for me ... if I just pay attention, and ask a question now and then.

CM

[Don McDowell]

Rick have you tried the 1.5 KIK?

[RMulhern]

Rick have you tried the 1.5 KIK?

Don

No sir....don't have any to try! Since Kurt has had some success with it....guess I'll try to get some and give it a go!

Haven't forgotten to cast ya some bullets; I've just been extra busy keeping grandkids from getting into trouble!! Was supposed to have gone to Medicine Lodge, Ks. this AM on business but the weather kept us away! I don't need my **** blown into another county!!:-? Those folks in Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas need somebody to 'shoot up amongst 'em' to give 'em some relief!!:???::(

[Don McDowell]

Rick no rush on those bullets, doing fine with the ones I have on hand.
What little I've shot the 1.5 I'm liking it pretty well, hopefully will get some more serious test shooting done with it in a couple of weeks.

[John Boy]

Rick, last week at Ridgway shot Homer (1000yds) with the Mini Groove in a 45-70 ... Br2 - 70gr new KIK FFg, 0.080 dry felt wad and COL 3.175. Wong, Wong, Wong, etc. This was in the drizzle, fog, calm and hardly could see Homer, let alone the black bullseye. Sight picture was about 41 x 48"
Setting was 151 MOA with a 100yd base line of zero and a 34" barrel

OK, back to the Fg. The grain ratio of the new Fg is nearly the same as 1.5Fg and there has been success with 1.5:
KIK Fg (Lot 3901)
12 Mesh – Trace
14 Mesh - Trace
20 Mesh – 99.9%
30 Mesh – Trace

KIK 1.5Fg (Lot 3910)
12- Mesh - Trace
14 Mesh - Trace
20 Mesh – 95.87%
30 mesh – 4.13%
40 mesh – Trace

Don't know what to say why the Fg won't print @ 1000

[Lead pot]

I used the 1.5 KIK at the Lodi Creedmoor match and got along good with it.
I blew two completely off the target on the 1000 yd line the first day when I lost the light and still shot a 63-1x @ 1000, 81-1x @ 900, 90-2x @ 800
The second day I did the same thing at the 900 and shot a 63.
Day 2, 78-1x @1000, 63 @ 900, 82 @ 800.

This powder will shoot and shoot very good.

What I need to have done is get the cataract removed so I can see through the floater when I shoot in a overcast condition or use a scope.
I been fighting putting a scope on for a match. It just dont seem right to have one on a Sharps.

[Southron Sanders]

One thing you can say about Black Powder is that different Lots can vary widely IF the production people at the factory aren't paying attention.

Even when they are paying attention, different Lots can vary occasionally.

Of course, this is all part of the Challenge of shooting black powder arms in competition!

[Lead pot]

I just got home from a 3 week shooting spree starting at the Quigley and moved to Baker Mt. when the Q was canceled and shot the match there.
I haven't organized my cartridge boxes tha6t had 1200 rounds of different KIK loads of 1 FG 1.5FG and 2fg. I didn't get to the 3 FG KIK to see how it shoots in the .45-90, .44-90BN, and the .50-90, but I managed to bring home a 5 gallon bucket 1/2 full of empty brass.
I got to the Q on Friday the week before the shoot and spent 5 days shooting between thunder storms and had a good chance to see what this KIK powder will do in the three calibers I mostly shoot and I have to say that the 1 FG and the 1.5 FG KIK shot good! very good.
I started on the 805 yard Buff and found it on the second shot fired. It was tough with the wet ground and tall grass, with a couple sight corrections I was in the white and all shots, 10, danced around the white with most inside the white using the 1 FG KIK and the 600 yard stop sign I had a very tight group with the 1F and 1.5 FG using a PP and GG bullet in the .44-90 BN and the .45-90 using PP and GG bullets.
I cant say nothing but good with this powder.
I would like to have spent more time testing this powder but the rains and lightning was putting a damper of it. But I did get a lot of shooting in.
I also gave the 2F Diamond powder a try in all calibers, but the results were not good in the .44-90 and .45-90 but in the .50 with a little more load development I think it will shoot in it.

At Baker MT.

:shock: Wow is all I can say :bigsmyl2: what a beautiful range with deep canyons to shoot over from the top of a Butte.
A range with tough air currents. A very tough range to shoot on with the winds we had the day before the match but they died down later in the day and I dot the sight settings I needed.
Again on the 1023 yard 4' square target it took me a while to find the target do to the Deep grass and wet ground.
I used the .45-90 because the .44 was pulling case necks with the brass that has been shot to much so I parked it for the match.
I put three shots in a row on the 1023 yd first shot hit at 9 right on the edge of the white, guessing I think it may have been 16" in diameter??? judging by placing 3 1/2 whites side by side filling the 4 ' space, one at 9 on the edge and 2 at 3 maybe 4" apart with no vertical I could tell.
I sure like the 1 F and 1.5 F KIK.
I used 1.5 KIK also at Lodi and it shot good.

I havent had time yet to shoot this 1, 1.5, and 3FG KIK over the chronograph enough to see what the ES and SD looks like, but the targets say it is doing very good:smile: but the 2FG is still giving me a problem that needs to be worked out.

[montana_charlie]

Thanks, Kurt.
It will be quite some time before I will need to buy new powder, but your testing has made up my mind about which to will choose as a replacement for Goex Cartridge.

CM

[SharpsShooter]

Thanks, Kurt.
It will be quite some time before I will need to buy new powder, but your testing has made up my mind about which I will choose to replace my Goex Cartridge.

CM

I'm singing the same tune MC. I am lucky enough to have over 30 pounds of cartridge left but when it is gone KIK appears to be the direction to go.

[Don McDowell]

I've got a full case + a few cans of Cartridge, but I've already went thru 10 lbs of KIK, have 2 cans of the 1.5 set aside for the arrival of the 44-77

[littlejack]

Holy mackeral Don, you guys eating that stuff for breakfast?

[Don McDowell]

:p:p No not us, but Kurt keeps a shaker of it on his kitchen table to season his steaks and hotdogs with.:kidding:

[Lead pot]

:p:p No not us, but Kurt keeps a shaker of it on his kitchen table to season his steaks and hotdogs with.:kidding:

Just dont eat it before bed time:smile: that salt peter has a bad effect on a old feller [smilie=f::smile:

30# of powder dont go far for me, I shoot between 100 and 125# a year. Last year was a down year only used around 90#

[Don McDowell]

The amount of empty cases we brought back from the Montana shooting spree, quickly explains where at least 5 lbs of powder went.:groner:
And that doesn't count the number of rounds we helped Leadpot regain his empty cases from....:lovebooli
Leadpot are you going to try and do the fall shooting spree with us? This last one sure was a good time.

[Lead pot]

You bet I will

[kokomokid]

How do you keep brass that long after shooting? Mine looks like junk after two days in dawn and water.

[Lead pot]

I run mine through the tumbler every night if I can.

[Don McDowell]

I wash mine,by putting them in a jug with simplegreen and water rolling them around for a bit and then rinse, then clean it when I get home.
Have a thumlers model b now that will accompany us on the next extended shooting spree.