Noe 311365 sp

[30CAL-TEXAN]

Here are some pics of my 311365s from my brand new NOE mold. This is my first NOE mold and It will not be the last.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_130844d7b970962c34.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=179)

This is the pile just after dumping them out of the bucket.

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These are waiting for gas checks.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_130844d7b9709b7b96.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=180)

Here are a few after seating some .014 CheckMaker gas checks.

I seated a test cartridge (to the crimp groove) to see if they would fit in all of my rifles and if fit in every one so no problem there.

I hope to get these lubed and sized tomorow and hopefully get to the range to try out a few loads this week. I just hope they shoot half as good as they look!

If I can get them to shoot decent and operate the action of my M1 I will be one happy camper.

[CWME]

These were fired out of my 308 win @ 50 yards this morning.

How does your mold drop? Mine needs A LOT of help with the mallet.

[mustanggt]

Excellent work so far. Have you tried 2400 or 3031? I look forward to similar results.

[CWME]

I haven't tried those powders in the 308 yet. My goal this spring and summer is to try as many powders with the Saeco #315 and the 311365 as I can. Those are on the list at some point8-)

I am seeing really consistant weights in the 197-198gr range with this mold. I am really happy with it aside from the hard release of the boolits. They all stick in the left side of the mold.

[HARRYMPOPE]

try pushing on the rear of the mold towards the other block with your mallet and opening the mold very slowly.this works wonders with sticky ones as it makes the mold open back to front and pulls bullets from the cavities.You may have to try the same on the left side if that doesn't work.All mold are different.I rarely use a mallet beyond a very light tap to knock bullets from my molds.

HMP

[30CAL-TEXAN]

CWME,

Once it got up to temperature the mold was very consitant with the drop.

I hold the mold on its side and tap the sprue plate down then open the mold over the bucket and turn it with all boolits still in the left side. usually one tap knocks them all into the water.

I don't use a mallet, just a 1x1 stick.

[seppos]

Sharp..
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/seppos_photos/terv.jpg
Do they even need powder behind them to fly..;)

And.. As mine was thick enough..
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/seppos_photos/rksupu.jpg
It suits also for the 7.62X39..
Hush Hush..;)

S

[CWME]

Post your results and loads when you fire those. Interested to hear how everyone is loading these and what the results are.

[seppos]

Wilco..

S

[seppos]

Just came back from the range.. As I was in hurry, I did not take the supressor for my Sako M-92.. Big mistake that I remembered while I was pulling the cocking handle at the range..
Sako evidently have smaller gasport hole, so it did not worked without supressor.. It kicked out spend cases but did not had enough momentum to insert new cartridge to the chamber..
With 300m sight setting the groupings where about 6-7 seven inches above the aiming point.
Palm sized groups as I had to reload manually bitween shots.

With AK-47 the feeding was flawless.. Only problem was that the bullets went a bit low..
In the begining I had the 300m setting on sights.. First round kicked some snow in front of the target, and the rest went under it. This was with 299.. With 365 I used 400m setting, and that too was not enough.. I managed to hit 4 times out from 10 to the lower part of target, and the grouping with them was about 2 inches from the 100 m..

So.. Back to the drawing board so to speak.. Unfortunately I dont have 50m range close buy, so I have to do the testing from 100m..

S

[30CAL-TEXAN]

I did get to go to the range this weekend and tried out some of the test loads.

I tried THE LOAD or 13gr Red Dot, for use in my bolt guns and some 4064 loads for the M1. Both were satisfactory. The 4064 load was 35gr over my 311365 with alum GC and Caranuba Red, sized to 311. It chronographed just over 1900 fps and the accuracy was about the same as with the Lee 160 RN that I was using previously. Not great accuracy but it will keep it inside a 5-6" circle at 100 yards. (Note: this is not a match rifle and I am no match shooter, minute of milk jug is about all I need to be happy:razz:).

I am planing to run another test dialing back the powder charge in 1/2 Gr increments to see what the bottom line is for opperating the M1 with this boolit as a few other members have suggested that this boolit would stabilize best at or below 1800fps. Anyone have any other opinions on this? What kind of velocities are you playing with?

I am also curious about the seating depth of the boolit. I tried 2 different heights, one with the crimp inside the crimp groove (my notes are in the shop or I would tell you the actual measurment) and the other with the crimp between the crimp groove and the top lube groove. Honnesty, I couldn't tell any difference in accuracy or anything else for that matter but I was curious what you guys were doing with them.

[HARRYMPOPE]

i shoot the bullet at 1600-1700 and it stabilizes fine in my 1-10 30-06.i believe you are driving it too fast.Or at least faster than i have had luck with that bullet.I haven't shoot mine in M1's but in my bolt guns i seat it until it engraves the throat but i have seated it off a bit(to fit a magazine) and it still shot well.

HMP

[AaronJ]

Finaly tried these in my AR10T in 308 win

5 shots at 100 yds

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx241/aaron_454/IMAG0071.jpg

Load was 28grs varget in win brass lit with a win LR primer. Boolits where cast from lyno sized to 311 and lubed with a home brew hard lube and fitted with hornady checks.

[rays308]

Aaron,

Very Good shooting.


Did you feed these manually? Looks like you didn't get any nose deforming on feed.
Its been an issue with this boolit in my ARs.

After some help from folks here, that boolit has become a real shooter for me too, at least in my bolt guns.

[Ben]

AaronJ


VERY IMPRESSIVE ! !

[AaronJ]

Ray I feed them through the mag and they cycled the action perfectly. When I pulled one out of the chamber nose deformation was minimal, all I could really see where the scrapes from the locking lugs. This group was part of a test to see what would cycle my AR this was the slowest load I tried and was the most accurate by far.

[Blammer]

I cast some today from my 2C Brass NOE. Once I got it broke in it was doing just beautifully!

Using WW's I water dropped them as I'm thinking that the harder boolits will help with less nose slump when shooting.

200gr as cast with my alloy. .311 on the money. Gator checks a nice snug fit.

I managed to poke a few holes in my fingers with that pointy nose. I gotta be careful!

I'm hoping they do well in my Rem 30-06.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits%20fun/DSCN8443.jpg

[rays308]

AaronJ

I should asked before. Did you seat to press against the rifling or back off a little?

Mine hits the rifling at about 2.745 col in the AR.

[AaronJ]

Ray I seated them to feed in my mags. I guess I just dont see the point of a semi auto single shot ;) . Next time I am at my bench I will measure my dummy round and let you know.

[w30wcf]

Fellows,
Thank you for the encouraging reports. I recently made some bullets in linotype and loaded them over 36/H414/WLR for my 788 30-30. THe bullets weighed 194 grs with Hornady g.c. on board.

I was heading to Ridgway for the Cast Bullet Silhouette Campionship and I wanted to test them for accuracy at 500 meters. When I tested them, the conditions weren't the greatest (windy!) but I tried firing each shot when the wind had died a bit.

Accuracy was around 1 1/2 moa which I thought was pretty darn good with a 2,000 f.p.s. load. It shot about 4 to 5 minutes flatter than the 311299 with the same charge.

w30wcf

[Blammer]

Wow! 4-5 min flatter! That's incredible.

I finally got some loaded, now to find a day to get to the range!

[shaggyant]

Is it too early for another run of these?
I bought one these in .311 and after running it in my .308 and 300 whisper I really want to try the .314 version in my new AK.

[Bullfrog54]

Finaly tried these in my AR10T in 308 win

5 shots at 100 yds

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx241/aaron_454/IMAG0071.jpg

Load was 28grs varget in win brass lit with a win LR primer. Boolits where cast from lyno sized to 311 and lubed with a home brew hard lube and fitted with hornady checks.

What kind of velocity were you getting from this load? I am trying to get a round worked up for my PTR 91 (clone of a civilian HK G3) in a .308 and had trouble with getting the action to cycle with less than 35 grains of BLC2 and Lee's tumble lube 160 grain 7.62 bullet (i did not tumble lube, but rather pan lubed with a bees wax/paraffin/stp mix) sized to .309 (lee sizer). I am getting in on the next GB for this mold and hope the heavier bullet will allow the action to cycle with a lower charge. I tried gas checks and had much better results with 43.5 grains of BLC2 (BLC2 was a lower pressured powder I hoped would work and still give me rifle velocities), but was still getting a gray patch (minor leading of the barrel I suspect) even though the bore still looked shiny. Would you or anyone else have suggestions? Thanks!

[Wayne S]

Checking a few 300 Whisper load data sites, I see loads listed using "red Dot", just wondering if anyone has tried any of the faster pistol powders like 700 X, 231, Unique for sub sonic loads ??

[Wayne S]

Wow! 4-5 min flatter! That's incredible.

!
Blammer, and all, I found about the same thing when I was testing the 311365 & the 311299 at 200 meters and only driving them about 1100-1150 fps.

[madsenshooter]

I've been waiting for a chance to give this bullet a try out of my parkerized Krag rifle. It was real nice here in Upper Appalachia today, and I got my chance. I tried a couple loads with some fast burning powders, 10B101 and SPP210, a 4198 clone and wasn't getting good results. Lead blowing back onto the neck of the cases indicated pressure was too high, though I was using an alloy generally good for me at a PSI of 35,000 or so. That .305" nose significantly increases the bearing surface and subsequently the pressure generated by this bullet as compared to say a .301 bore rider. I seated the bullets out to an OAL of 3.213" and they were hard into the rifling. Bullets were cast of a high tin alloy (10%) I use, and only weighed 183gr checked and lubed. Lube was a concoction of mineral spirits, Marvel Mystery Oil, and LLA that I've dubbed LLAMMO. Just a single dip seems sufficient.

Decided slower might be better since I have some reloader 19 to use up. 36.5gr of it fell into 6 cases primed with CCI250 primers. So here's how 6 shots went at about 60yds. I haven't tried them seated to magazine length, if that would work I'd say they're accurate enough to replace the costly match J-words which I can no longer afford. I'm guessing velocity to have been 2000-2100fps out of the 30" barrel, and it looks like I might be able to shoot a whole highpower match without cleaning. Before shooting this group I'd shot ten of the SPP210 loads (about a 2.5" group). The rear sight was all the way down, 6 o'clock hold on the plate, sandbagged off the top of my car.

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[mustanggt]

I have used that same powder. You're the only other guy I know that's used it. I used 23gr of 4198 so weighed the same for the SPP210 with that same boolit and got the same results as the other load. The only difference was the velocity. The normal load was 1800fps and these clocked at 1600fps. I found that odd, so did you have the same results? My seating depth is 3.010" so maybe I need to play with that a little bit and see if I can get a change.

[madsenshooter]

Well, I was trying a larger dose of the SPP210, 25.5gr I believe, well below 180gr max charges I've found, and like I said, because of the long bearing surface, the pressure was too high for the alloy, though it is over 23BHN. When you say "normal load", do you mean a load with a smaller nose? More bearing surface will bring the velocity down and pressure up, both quickly it appears, and of course my hard alloy figures in there too. Forgot to mention the bullets were sized to .309 for the .308 groove diameter barrel, spring back on the gascheck made it .310. I don't think there's any other cast bullet that'll give me a higher BC. The 308329 I once had might, but it had too much unsupported nose for most Krags.

[mustanggt]

My alloy is just hardball. My groove dia. is 310 so I size to 312. I came to the conclusion that in order to get the same velocities I would have to go up to 25gr. My normal load is 23gr. IMR4198 so I just used the same weight of SPP210. My normal boolit has been 314299 with a 304 nose works real well. The last time I shot my Krag I used the 311365 and got the same results and impact on the target so it's a wash between both powder and boolit for me.

[madsenshooter]

OK, I see what you mean. I've never had any other 4198 to compare the SPP210 to. I have Accurate mold's 31-230E which weighs 220gr checked and lubed in my alloy. It really fits the throat good and is below max magazine length, but the BC can't be good compared to the 365's, so I'm going to try the 365 a tenth inch off the lands an see how it does. It's sort of a competition to select the replacement for the J-words. NOE's 311284 is in there too, and it too is a good fit in both throat and magazine with its .302 nose.

[Wayne S]

Has anyone had any success {2 MOA or less} with the 311365 out of an M1A/ M-14 ? I've tried some and the 311299 always shoots smaller groups. I'm starting low ,25 gn 4895 and 21.5 AA 223 so I probably need to keep working up, and will include RL-7 in the next rounds of tests.

[pacomdiver]

just bought one, anyone running one in their garands?

[Deadpool]

just bought one, anyone running one in their garands?

Where'd you buy yours from? I've been watching the noe site for over a month and they don't seem to care to make another 311365 mold.

Where else can I get ~200gr SP GC in .311?

[StratsMan]

Where else can I get ~200gr SP GC in .311?

There's quite a variety of them available in the 200 grain range from Accurate Molds...
http://accuratemolds.com/catalog.php?page=2

And MidSouth Shooters Supply has some Lyman molds in stock...
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/Dept/reloading/lead-bullet-casting/lyman-moulds/-point-311-dia

[Deadpool]

There's quite a variety of them available in the 200 grain range ...

Those all have flat noses or meplats. Lyman doesn't produce 200gr SPGC (Spitzer + GC), just round nose or flat. Ideally I'd like a 3 ogive or longer, with a flat smaller than 0.1"

[winelover]

Where'd you buy yours from? I've been watching the noe site for over a month and they don't seem to care to make another 311365 mold.

Where else can I get ~200gr SP GC in .311?

Send Al a PM on your wants. That's how I got mine, when the selection was low.

Winelover

[sfcairborne]

Ok, well I purchased this mold for my blackout Remington 700, but I do believe it's going to be to long. So gonna shoot is in my 308. Has anybody tried 11.5 unique with this bullet?

[kfarm]

Watch out you'll put your eye out with one of those.

[kfarm]

"just bought one, anyone running one in their garands"


I'm using 34 gr of IMR 4895 and getting very good results.