How to apply lube

[math]

Hi

I'm just starting to paper patch for a breach loader and was a little curios how you apply your lube to the bullet.

Regards Math

[martinibelgian]

How about not? If you wipe between shots, no lube is needed. if you really want to use lube, you either use your finger to put some lube on the patch, and/or use a lube cookie under the bullet, sandwiched between 2 wads.

[montana_charlie]

Lube is not applied to paper patched bullets.

Some put a little lube on the outside of the paper patch, but most don't.

If you want a supply of lube in your load for keeping the BP fouling soft, a grease cookie or a lubed felt wad can be positioned right under the bullet.

CM

[math]

Ok no lube on the patch. How will wads work whit a hollow base bullets ? I'm sort of afraid that they will stick in the cavity and unbalans the bullet. And then there is the problem with applying the same amount of lube under the bullet every time

Math

[montana_charlie]

Ok no lube on the patch. How will wads work whit a hollow base bullets ? I'm sort of afraid that they will stick in the cavity and unbalans the bullet. And then there is the problem with applying the same amount of lube under the bullet every time
If you extrude, melt, roll, or otherwise produce a flat layer of lube with a uniform thickness, you can easily 'cookie cut' discs of lube directly into the case being reloaded. So much for the 'same amount' thing.

Some of the paper patched bullet designs have a cup base, but none that I know of are 'hollow based' bullets.

The 'cup' is a shallow depression which gets (mainly) filled with folded paper during the patching process.

It is very common to see wads used with these bullets.

CM

[math]

Hello

Thanks for your ideas and input. After reading the answers i see that i should have given more info in my original post, i'll try and make up for that now, sorry for the trouble.

The rifle is a M-1851 made for the Swedish navy, and uses no cases, hence my question about applying the same amount of lube everytime. In the good old days a paper cartride was used. i have found very little info on how that cartridge was made.

Here is a photo of the rifle and the bullets i'm using.

Regards Math

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/mathias1978/P3080006.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/mathias1978/P3080007.jpg

[calaloo]

Some of the guys that shoot long range muzzle loaders use a shallow dish with a layer or two of felt fabric soaked with liquid lube. They roll the patched bullet immediatly before loadind. Some use jojoba oil, but the real serious ones use sperm oil.

I believe in Paul Matthews book on paper patching he used several types of lube rubbed onto the paper. He advised that the lube not soak into the paper which would make it translucent.

I sometimes rub SPG on the paper.

[RMulhern]

Or...do it the easy way:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5515123202_cb8be7174b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60463778@N06/5515123202/)
SeatingLubeCookies (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60463778@N06/5515123202/) by RMulhern (http://www.flickr.com/people/60463778@N06/), on Flickr

[craveman85]

how thick of a lube cookie are you using there? are you just taking a charged case with a wad and stamping them out?

[RMulhern]

how thick of a lube cookie are you using there? are you just taking a charged case with a wad and stamping them out?

These are .250" and it's a charged case!

[Longwood]

Some of the guys that shoot long range muzzle loaders use a shallow dish with a layer or two of felt fabric soaked with liquid lube. They roll the patched bullet immediatly before loadind. Some use jojoba oil, but the real serious ones use sperm oil.

I believe in Paul Matthews book on paper patching he used several types of lube rubbed onto the paper. He advised that the lube not soak into the paper which would make it translucent.

I sometimes rub SPG on the paper.
Sorry but I am new to computers and have yet to memorized the tens of thousands of acronyms used nowdays.
Could someone please spell out what SPG means for us that have no clue?
Thanks

[gunplumber]

SPG is a brand name of black power cartirge lube

[Bullshop]

SPG are the initials of the originator of the lube, Steve P. Garby

[nanuk]

Or...do it the easy way:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5515123202_cb8be7174b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60463778@N06/5515123202/)
SeatingLubeCookies (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60463778@N06/5515123202/) by RMulhern (http://www.flickr.com/people/60463778@N06/), on Flickr

Mr Mulhern, I gotta ask, how do you keep the powder from shifting forward?

I assume you have no concerns with ringing your chamber due to the space between the wad and the cookie, as they would all get seated down on top of each other??

[giz189]

Nanuck, not trying to speak for Mr Mulhern, as he has a lot more experience than I do. But he probably has a .030 or .060 overpowder wad seated, therefore no powder spillage. And no, there is no air space from the powder column to the bottom of the seated bullet.

[martinibelgian]

Rick,

You do forget an essential detail - the man is using a capping breechloader with paper cartridges, so he doesn't have a case to cut lube cookies... I believe that a lubed felt wad would be the way to go in such a case, just like with the Westley Richards Monkeytail: There's a monkeytail forum on the british militaria board, I believe there would be some gents willing and able to help you.

[DIRT Farmer]

Math I shoot a '59 Sharps with grease grouve slugs. The casting has a rebated base simular to a gas check base. I turned a dowel rod to the size of the base and roll paper to make a cylinder the bullet will slip fit into. Most of the time I seat the slug into the bore and fill the chamber with powder.

[RMulhern]

Rick,

You do forget an essential detail - the man is using a capping breechloader with paper cartridges, so he doesn't have a case to cut lube cookies... I believe that a lubed felt wad would be the way to go in such a case, just like with the Westley Richards Monkeytail: There's a monkeytail forum on the british militaria board, I believe there would be some gents willing and able to help you.

Dang Martin...I'd have sworn I saw some brass cases lying on top of the table in the photo! Hmmm....seems as if my 1874 Sharps is a 'breech loader' also!:mrgreen:[smilie=w::veryconfu

[math]

Yes there is cases laying on the table but they are for my .425 WR :bigsmyl2:

Right now i'm trying to find a good load before making paper cartridges.
What i really was interested in knowing was if lube was applyed to the paper or not. I have been using "Loading and shooting paper patch bullets"by Randolph.S.Wright as my guide so far but that book only covers how to load cartridges, and so far i understand it he does not apply lube to the patch.

Happy shooting
Math

[RMulhern]

I've been around this game long enough now to understand that one mans' gravy could very well be...another mans' poison!

If you want lube on the patch don't use so much that it will migrate to the interior; powdered graphite will suffice also!

[45 2.1]

For paper cartridges, the patch is different than what you show. Try a long 2" or so long wrapped around the base band extending farther out. That part can be wrapped around a same size dowel/boolet or can be wrapped around the dowell, dried than pasted to the base band. The lube groove is filled then the paper cavity filled and twisted. You will have to nitrate the paper to get it to burn when fired also. A good primer is the later sharps cartridges useing the ring tailed boolit. Dixie gun works used to have a good article on this in their catalogs.

[qualibra]

Hello .

Here in Norway we are shooting Our own chamberloaderrifles Our own way .
We load powder and then a "sabot" made from carton which forms a "cupcakeform"
which takes up the void between bullet an chamberwalls .
Finaly we apply the lube which in my case is made from lard from sheep mixed With beewax,
on top of the bullet .
We use to fill the vacant Space in front of the bullet With grease and it Works very well indeed .

Visit "svartkrutt.net" and browse "kammerlader" or on the English verson of the forum - "chamberloader".
There you will find that PP is not neccesary when shooting these capping breechloaders .
A friend of mine shoots one of these and he is using a .58 Caliber bullet which is made for the Brittish Snider
With great sucsess .

Good Luck !

[Lead pot]

Hello

Thanks for your ideas and input. After reading the answers i see that i should have given more info in my original post, i'll try and make up for that now, sorry for the trouble.

The rifle is a M-1851 made for the Swedish navy, and uses no cases, hence my question about applying the same amount of lube everytime. In the good old days a paper cartride was used. i have found very little info on how that cartridge was made.

Here is a photo of the rifle and the bullets i'm using.

Regards Math

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/mathias1978/P3080006.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/mathias1978/P3080007.jpg

There are a couple ways you can use a lube with the bullet you have in this picture. I shot a bullet very similar from NEI in my 63 as well as the ring tails.
If you want to use that bullet patched you can wrap it by just covering the skirt and fill the cavity with a soft lube or lard and seat the bullet and fill the chamber with loose powder enough that when you close the block it will screed off the excess. I'm not sure how tour breach works in your rifle, not familiar with it. If it is a falling block it will work fine. I got great accuracy loading the 63 this way. Don't worry about the powder coming into contact with the powder it will shoot just fine and the lube that is still in the base will soon out as the bullet clears the muzzle.
Or you can leave the patch off and fill the lube grooves that bullet has.

[math]

I solved the paper problem by geting a larger bullet and disgarded the paper (for now) This showed great promise until the stock cracked and brooke in two :( so this projekt is on ice untill i figer out what too do about it. And my long abcense in answering all the great helping coments is due to me just coming back from a tour in Afghanistan.
Mathias

[montana_charlie]

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