Odd Copper Bullets

[Westwindmike]

A friend of mine ran across these solid copper bullets a few years back and saved 3 of them. Just wondering if anybody recognized them. They almost look like they were turned on a lathe, but could have been made some other way.

Any ideas? They are .452 and weigh 100 gr.
Thanks.

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[SWANEEDB]

They look like the beginings of the glaser safety slugs, I did have a bunch of them a few yrs back when they were made in Ca.

[ReloaderFred]

They're also very similar to the round PMC developed about 10 or so years ago. The ATF wouldn't let them sell them, since they considered them handgun "armored vest defeating" rounds.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[Westwindmike]

Thanks for the replies. He shot all the others but saved these 3 for his collection. He said he got really good velocity out of his .45 Colt with them.

[MakeMineA10mm]

They're also very similar to the round PMC developed about 10 or so years ago. The ATF wouldn't let them sell them, since they considered them handgun "armored vest defeating" rounds.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Fred must've been a little tired when he typed this, because I'm sure he meant to say the ATF made PMC stop selling them... I bought a box of them in 44 Special when they came out.

Those bullets in your picture look a LOT like the PMC bullets, but they are not PMCs. There is one major design difference (which is what made the problem from the ATF's point of view) with the PMCs.

My bet is that someone did turn those down on a lathe in an effort to copy the PMCs in a less-objectionable way per ATF tests/regulations. I seem to remember another company who made gigantic-HP solid-copper bullets. I think they specialized in the 444 Marlin. Gonic? Can't remember off top of my head.

[Hardcast416taylor]

Almost remind me of welding machine tips.Robert