Kidney Stones and Home Cures

[PatMarlin]

I've had stones or "gravel" all my life. I can remember sitting in the restroom in elementary school with a knife cutting feeling passing through my bladder at 7-8 years old.

As I stated over on another thread, 2 weeks ago I bent over slightly to grab something and a felt a nerve twitch in my lower back and was immediately disabled. I couldn't walk, and it was all I could do to crawl into the house, to the couch.

I had been building a room extension in the shop for my CNC mill all week- lifting heavy green ceiling joists up a ladder to the plate, and general framing. My back felt fine. Nothing unusual, so I automatically thought the back pain was from lifting.

After about 8 days on my back, not even being able to roll over hardly, I started to feel the pain move all of a sudden to one side. Bingo- I realized it was stones and NOT from lifting. I then started my home remedy and by that evening I was at least walking again.

I normally do this at least twice a year, but forgot about it. Don't laugh cause what I'm going to post hear is pretty funny, but it works. It has worked for me for 7 years to date, and it's working now.

My first bad stone experience was about 1993. I was having severe back pain, got up in the middle of the night to get a glass of water and an aspirin, and passed out- hit the kitchen floor. I had never passed out until then or since. Wife calls 911 and by the time they got there I felt fine. They wanted to ambulance me to the hospital, and I told them to stuff that. I had my neighbor drive me. Wife was to rattled... :mrgreen:

They gave me tests and a cat scan and couldn't find a dang thing. Later, I realized what it was- a kidney stone.

7 years ago, It hit again. Not bad enough to pass out from, but bad. I absolutely hate hospitals and Doctors offices. I got on the net to look for info on any type of relief. This one Kidney Stone miracle website had scam written all over it with a home cure and the unusual pile of testimonials.

I thought what the heck? I'll be a sucker for $20 so I crossed my fingers and I hit the order button.

What came back was this recipe, just as written:


* 6-pack (cans) of Coca-Cola, or a 2-liter bottle of Coke. Pepsi would
probably work, too—but, we have not established proof of its effectiveness
yet.

Note: The original Kidney Stone Removal Remedy calls for Classic Coke™.
However, we have learned that Diet and Caffeine-Free versions also work!
Both have phosphoric acid—this is one of the main catalysts for dissolving
your kidney stones. In addition, due to its high phosphoric acid content,
Dr. Pepper would likely work as well.
* 6–8 oz. fresh asparagus, puréed (canned or frozen works, too)
* A high-speed blender
* Distilled water

Procedure

1. Over the course of 2 hours, drink the 72 ounces of Coke.
2. Steam or quickly boil the asparagus. Process in the blender until
well-puréed.
3. Within 5 minutes from drinking the last 12 ounces, eat the asparagus
purée. Rather than simply gulping it down, try to mix the purée well with
your saliva.

The remedy begins working immediately and, within a few hours, you’ll begin
to pass the stones through your urine as sand-like particles.


I followed it, but instead of blending the asparagus, I just chewed it up good and slow. By the next day the pain left and I was back on my feet. I was urinating in a clear container, and I'll be darn if I didn't start seeing particles over time. I understand it depends on what type of stones you have, as to whether it will work or not.

The main ingredient in Coke is the phosphoric acid, and I don't know what the asparagus does, but it works and I like asparagus so the program was not a problem. My mother in-law is a highly trained ICU nurse and consultant for the state and she told me Hospitals use coke for various things like this, and that I should do this from time to time.

So now from 8-9 days down with pain, I'm back to work. Still sore but I can feel those stones (gravel) move, and radiate right through on their way out.

I did the coke cure 3 times, over a few days. I chill one litter bottle and one 20 oz bottle of regular coke, and drink them over a 2 hour period. The last 10 minuets I chew down at least 8 oz of asparagus. Did fresh the first time, and canned the other 2 times. Today I feel great.

Some folks swear by lemon water and lemonade. I'm drinking lemon with my water. Also- a friend's wife had to have surgery from stones in 1995, and since has taken a product pill called "Stone Free". She says she's never had a stone since.

[PatMarlin]

Here's some comments from the other thread where the subject first came up:



Kidney Stones.....................:shock: They are a real beach. I had two of them within a month a few years back. They will drop you to your knees that's for sure. If you happen to have one of the stones analyzed the Docs can tell you what it's from i.e. foods and drinks that created the stone which will tell you what to stay away from. In the mean time drink O.J. in the case it is calcium related as the acidic content of the juice will balance your PH out and help to eliminate the stone buildup. Coffee was also suggested by my urologist as well at least for my particular situation.

Sounds like you have everything geared up for production and I'm an excited man over here to see things off and going on your end.



It was all in the back when mine first hit. I thought someone had hit me with a sledge hammer lower right side. I could barely get myself in the jeep and drive to the hospital it hurt so badly. Made my way in the doors pale faced and in a cold sweat and the receptionist said, "You don't look so good". I gave her one of those looks like, NO SHEEET. If things aren't normal soon though you may need to get in to the Dr. and make sure you excreted the stone as it can be very dangerous if things get backed up.



My Daughter had one move on the way to Disney last year. She almost missed the entire trip. It finally passed the day before we came home. I never saw anyone that miserable for that long.
I guess it's like firing a shot through a plugged barrel.



I had a kidney stone a few years ago I ended up in the ER then to a specialist it was the size of a #2 pencil eraser they had to go in to brake it up. I thought my back had broken in half it hurt so bad.I was out of work for a Month and a half.

I have had several small ones pass not to much fun.

[9.3X62AL]

Thanks for passing this along, Pat. One of these events (2003) was the most excruciating pain I've ever felt in my life. I enjoy Diet Coke, and frequently drink it. Maybe this has accounted for no re-visits of the problem. We have asparagus at least once weekly, as well--love the stuff.

[BABore]

Asparagus is a natural diuretic. :takinWiz:

Makes you go and has the stink to prove it.:bigsmyl2:

[oldhickory]

Thanks Pat. I'll give it a whiz-I mean whirl.

[PatMarlin]

...:mrgreen:

[littlejack]

In 2003, I gave one of my kidneys to my brother. Both of his was all but fizzled out. The
dialasis "sp" was taking its toll on him.
Unbeknownst to me, the kidney that he got had a small rock in it. So, I killed two birds with
one "stone", pardon the pun. I got rid of the stone, and saved his bacon.
Jack

[troy_mclure]

my dad works in a foundry, the guys there get kidney stones alot. he drinks 2 tablespoons ov vinegar in a glass of water every week. he gets them about 2x a year, bun nowhere near as bas as before he started with the vinegar.

[Old Ironsights]

Do be careful about that Phosphoric Acid treatment though.

I had a classmate in HS who had kidney stones that, on analysis were directly derived from the phosphorous & other **** from his 6pack+/day Pepsi habit...

[Houndog]

I've been down that road 7 times and my last urologist told me to drink plenty of Cranberry juice. It must work because I havn't had one in over 10 years! I drink Cranberry juice at least twice a week for Breakfast.

[onondaga]

I have gotten stones twice. My brother has had over 3 dozen bad bouts with them.

Go to a urologist and get the stent temporarily placed.

I can tell you one internet home remedy I tried that was a vile disaster. Drink 2 quarts of olive oil, 2-3 ounces at a time every 15 minutes till it is all down. this is supposed to soften the stones so they will pass easily.

I almost made it to 2 quarts and then had projectile vomiting and hi-velocity skids in stereo.

Get the stent.

Gary

[S.R.Custom]

I had a classmate in HS who had kidney stones that, on analysis were directly derived from the phosphorous & other **** from his 6pack+/day Pepsi habit...

What he said.

I've never had the buggers, and that's probably due to the fact that I drink lots of WATER. Not Coke, Pepsi, or any of those other vile concoctions. Hey, if it'll strip the rust off of a nail, why are you pouring it in your face?

:takinWiz:
Drink (enough) water for healthy kidneys.

[Moonie]

I've had em, couldn't pass the first one, they had to go in and get it. I swear they used barbed wire, got the stint, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, if I had any.

[PatMarlin]

Do be careful about that Phosphoric Acid treatment though.

I had a classmate in HS who had kidney stones that, on analysis were directly derived from the phosphorous & other **** from his 6pack+/day Pepsi habit...

No this is a few times a year deal. I would imagine, drinking that much soda would have an effect on something.

All my cousins drank Pepsi since they were kids. They all have dentures, got em' young too.

[tinsnips]

My good friend use to have a problem with kidney stones until he read a medical report that said beer helped to eliminate them . So he drinks two beers everyday no more stones since. Maybe it would work for you.

[PatMarlin]

Yah- I think the key is "Drink" fluids. Not a crazy amount, but just enough. It's amazing how many people don't drink enough of anything.

[deltaenterprizes]

I am carrying a 6mm stone and as it is only a little pain I can live with it. I drink cranberry juice every day also. I have had kidney problems since a kid due to a birth defect that went undiagnosed until I was 13 years old and the Doc warned me to stay away from soft drinks and drink plenty water.

[Old Ironsights]

What he said.

I've never had the buggers, and that's probably due to the fact that I drink lots of WATER. Not Coke, Pepsi, or any of those other vile concoctions. Hey, if it'll strip the rust off of a nail, why are you pouring it in your face?

:takinWiz:
Drink (enough) water for healthy kidneys.

Water's for washin'.

WHISKEY and BEER are for drinkin'... :bigsmyl2:

[Old Ironsights]

Yah- I think the key is "Drink" fluids. Not a crazy amount, but just enough. It's amazing how many people don't drink enough of anything.

As Cody Lundin says:

You know you are drinking "enough" when you urine is C3... Colorless, Clear & Copious. (vs yellow, cloudy & scant)

[S.R.Custom]

Water's for washin'.

WHISKEY and BEER are for drinkin'... :bigsmyl2:

OK, now you're clouding the issue --so to speak-- with the basic food groups... :razz:

[AZ-Stew]

The last 10 minuets I chew down at least 8 oz of asparagus.

Hmmmm... I wonder if it would work while doing the Boogaloo.

Someone else beat me to it with the cranberry juice. The stones are typically calcium-based (I forget the exact chemistry). The acids in citrus, vinegar and cranberry juice and in the soft drinks mentioned will dissolve the calcium compound.

Regards,

Stew

[Geraldo]

Hmmmm... I wonder if it would work while doing the Boogaloo.

Someone else beat me to it with the cranberry juice. The stones are typically calcium-based (I forget the exact chemistry). The acids in citrus, vinegar and cranberry juice and in the soft drinks mentioned will dissolve the calcium compound.

Regards,

Stew

Not all stones are calcium based. They can be calcium oxalate, calcium phosphate, or more rarely struvite. The first step is to figure out which type you have. After that, it gets fuzzy, as there isn't much agreement on causes or prevention.

[looseprojectile]

about two or three times a year. Just can't get in the habit. I have heard that you can drown yourself internally with too much water. I drink Makers Mark on ice and lots of fruit juice including cranberry juice. Lots of coffee too. May have to develop a beer habit.
My right kidney contains ten stones the size of marbles. Half inch and more.
The best medical minds have decided to leave them alone. Me too, thank you Lord.
There was talk of ultra sound to break them up and the catheter for three months to flush them. My left kidney works perfect. Leave me alone!
No one knows the pain of a kidney stone moving except those that have experienced it. It don't do any good to go to the emergency room, it just has to pass on it's own. Don't get me started on Migraines.

Life is good

[AZ-Stew]

Not all stones are calcium based. They can be calcium oxalate, calcium phosphate, or more rarely struvite. The first step is to figure out which type you have. After that, it gets fuzzy, as there isn't much agreement on causes or prevention.

By "calcium-based", I meant they are chemical compounds based on calcium. Calcium oxalate is a compound containing calcium combined with carbon and oxygen. Calcium phosphate combines calcium, phosphorus and oxygen. Struvite is the only one that does not contain calcium. They are the least common form, which is why I said kidney stones are "typically" calcium-based.

Regards,

Stew

[curator]

Serious beer drinkers rarely get kidney stones. Drink more beer! After all "beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy." Keep hydrated by drinking 3-4 8 Oz glasses of water each day then drink two 12 Oz beers when you get home. This is a $100 peice of advice from my Urologist.

[Gelandangan]

Back where I was from, there is a believe that playing guitar can vibrate the kidney stones to smaller pieces that could be passed out with urine.
Whether it is true or false I do not know, luckily I never got this problem.

Personally I believe the more you drink and pass water, the less chance you get kidney problem.
Drink up mate.. its good for ya!

[Paul B]

"Drink (enough) water for healthy kidneys."

________________
A while back I had to see a urologist becuase I was passing blood in my urine with a bit of pain.
During the discussion I told the doctor that i did not like drinking water but did drick Crystal Light in lemonade flavor literally by the gallon. I figure here comes a major butt chewing but to my surprise he actually prescribes Chrystal Light lemonade flavor to his patients. He said that he's found that it goes a long way toward keeping stones from forming. I also drik a lot of orange juice which for us lead casters goes a long way toward removing any lead our bodies have absorbed due to our favored obby.
Paul B.

[threett1]

Reading this with great interest since I am going thru the procedures now. Worked only 2 days in January because of "attacks". Had them dug out of my left kidney and will be going in Monday for a sonic blasting of the 13mm stone in my right kidney. Knew there had to be something I could do meself.

[PatMarlin]

Here's what my friends wife takes daily since the mid 90's and she has been stone free:

http://www.vitacost.com/Planetary-Herbals-Stone-Free-820-mg-90-Tablets

I'm gonna order some.

By the way- Turmeric (found in mustard and eastern foods) is an excellent herb for protecting against Alzheimer's, and many other health benefits.

[mroliver77]

I had a bout with stones a few years back. Now I have had broken arms, neck, back and all kinds of pain. The stones were so bad all I could do was cry. I go to the emergency room and get filled with morphine! They give you other stuff that is supposed to help open the ureter and let the stone pass. I drink a lot of OJ, eat lots of pickles and vinegary foods. I dont think I could get one can of coke down! yuk!! When I have a stone I dont think I could drink anything. Every time I have had one it felt like somebody was trying to pull my testicles out by the roots! I think I will go have a glass of water and see about some asparagus
Jay.

[3006guns]

Fascinating thread...........although I've never had kidney stones (knock on wood) I HAVE had a couple of urinary tract infections. Cranberry juice is what is recommended UNTIL YOU CAN GET TO A DOCTOR. It relieves the inflammation somewhat and makes it tolerable until you can get some antibiotics going in your system, but it is not considered a cure.

As for stones....the modern technique is to immerse the patient in a water bath and high frequency sound waves are passed through the liquid. This breaks up the stones and makes them easy to pass, according to what I've read. Since your kidneys are pretty vital to your well being, I think I'd take that route rather than home remedies despite testimonials. With the amount of pain involved I'd be more than happy to pay the cost rather than suffer.

As everyone else has stated though, drinking plenty of water or juice keeps everything functioning.

[AZ-Stew]

Fascinating thread...
...I think I'd take that route rather than home remedies despite testimonials. As everyone else has stated though, drinking plenty of water or juice keeps everything functioning.

Right! Think of the "home remedies" as "home preventatives" and you'll be a long way ahead.

Regards,

Stew

[Rick N Bama]

As for stones....the modern technique is to immerse the patient in a water bath and high frequency sound waves are passed through the liquid. This breaks up the stones and makes them easy to pass, according to what I've read. Since your kidneys are pretty vital to your well being, I think I'd take that route rather than home remedies despite testimonials. With the amount of pain involved I'd be more than happy to pay the cost rather than suffer.


That procedure is called Lithotripsy. The water bath has been replaced, or at least it has here, by a table you lay on & then shock waves break up the stone(s).

I had the bath deal back in the late ‘80s for a single stone & the table thing 2times this past year to rid myself of 4 stones in the left kidney & 2 in the right. I passed another 2 the natural way.

My Dr. says that Citric Acid in the form of Crystal Lite will help prevent them. I don’t know if it will work or not, but I mix up a glass & drink it every day. I’ve had some 18 stones since the 1st back in ’84. I hope & pray that I never have another.

Rick

[Charley]

I've had only one episode, it was plenty. Went to the ER at 3:00 AM, didnb't knbow what it was. ER was empty, the MD on duty was bored, so we talked some. He looked at me, and said. "You drink a lot of tea, don't you". I answered, "yep". "better quit that", he said. I drasticly dropped my intake of iced tea, and have no further problems in over 10 years.
He DID write a prescription for me while I was waiting to pass the damned thing, and I suppose it helped.
Pulled out his pad, and wrote "Rx...quit pissin' rocks"
Guess it worked...

[PatMarlin]

I have been drinking more coffee in the morning the last few years. Manufacturing will do that to ya. Maybe what's made them worse.

I still have some twinges of pain come and go. It definitely screws you up during the day.

[Rick N Bama]

For those that are lucky enough to have never had a kidney stone......here is an example for your viewing pleasure:)

Rick

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/Ricknbama/DSC00099-1.jpg