To Do List for Handgun Manufacturers

[bowfin]

I am sure every CEO of every firearms manufacturer checks out this forum daily, so I am going to give them their "to do" list for next years new products roll out at the 2012 SHOT show:

Ruger: We need the .32 H&R back in the Single Six with adjustable sights. We also need the Old Army blackpowder pistol back, and another run of .30 Luger pistols.

EAA: We need a 9x19mm / .41 Action Express / 9mm Action Express combo for the EAA Witness. Make the 9mm AE barrel a 6" one, and both of the Action Express barrels ported.

Colt: Double Action Revolvers...Python comes to mind right off the bat. After that, a Colt Woodsman type pistol with a 4" barrel and adjustable sights in .32 NAA.

CZ/Dan Wesson: Great that the Dan Wesson .357 is back. Now maybe a few more calibers as well?

Manurhin: Find a U.S. distributor for the MR-73 revolver.

That's all that I can think of from the top of my head.

[MT Gianni]

41 A&E brass would be necessary also. ALso get the 327 federal with a 4-6" bbl on a K or L frame Smith and a Ruger 101 platform.

[DanWalker]

My wants:
Put an integral laser on the LCP
Put adjustable sights on the Kimber Ultra Carry
Someone publish a formula and produce a Jig that will help you put your own horizontal bars on your front sight for long range plinking with a revolver.

[Blammer]

Ruger 41mag double action 6" brl

[2ndAmendmentNut]

How about a Ruger SRH in 454 that is not so ugly?

[Heavy lead]

I would like to see Ruger really utilize the Super Redhawk frame. Not for a snubby, and not just for the but kickers, this butt ugly gun just shoots good, and fits me right. I really would like to see a 6" barrel .41, .44, and .45 without the scope mount cuts, or even with them. Maybe a 8 shot .357, 7 shot .41, with the rest in 6 shooters.
I have a Redhawk, and it is no Super Redhawk, although much more pleasing to the eye.
BFR, needs to get their junk together, if they offered Bisley grips and some shorter barrel lengths, Ruger would be toast in the single action arena.
Winchester needs to get back on the 94, they could build this rifle and sell them, make a profit at 500 bucks all day with the right machining and investment, including using injection molded receivers, the market is there, and so is cheap labor right now.
I just don't like some of the other levers out there, I like Marlin, but some of the others are just too heavy and not ergonomic at all.

[Ickisrulz]

How about S&W getting rid of their Hillary Hole?

[targetshootr]

Ruger needs a large frame 5 shot single action, any caliber.

They also need a 5 shot GP, any caliber.

[white eagle]

John Linebaugh
well you keep doing what you have been

[Matthew 25]

5 shot SP101 in 44 special.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

Would also like to see more unfluted cylinders offered.

[Johnch]

8" GP100 with a scope mount in 357 mag
8" GP100 with a scope mont in 22LR

John

[9.3X62AL]

Glock--

PLEASE build a 45 ACP model the same size as the Glock 19 and 23. NO, I have zero interest in a 45 Gay And Proud of that size.

45 ACP! The 30 and 36 don't fit my hands worth (insert Anglo-Saxon term of choice here), the 19 and 23 fit VERY WELL. The G-21 is too much of a good thing for CCW, and the mini-guns aren't enough for me to hold on to. A 10-shot compact 45 ACP seems do-able without a lot of re-engineering, and the 10-round mags would be California-legal from the git-go, with no need to bifurcate mag production to accomodate this Worker's Paradise and the rest of the country at the same time. Or install Pearce units to make the mini-pistols usable.

S&W--

Pull your heads out, and make some field-capable 327 Federals. You know-- L-frames, 4"-6" barrels, 7-8 shots and unfluted cylinders. Quit letting Ruger EAT YOUR LUNCH.

[Jim]

Smith & Wesson, bring back some of the outdated models like the 28!

[missionary5155]

Good morning
I have been writing to CZ repeatedly over the years about the DW revolver death decision . In January I congratulated them on the re-start of the 357. But also asked again why not start the Supermags ? That is where the demand is.. Anyone can go to GB and get a Monson 357 for half the price of a new CZ 357. But try to buy a Supermag ... That is where the money is.
Marlin should have awaken and built a thousand 41 mag rifles 5 years ago.
Ruger should get some quality control.

[stubshaft]

S&W bring back the model 52

[fivegunner]

Ruger make a new blackhawk Bisley in 480 five shot!!!! and open a custom shop Too.:castmine:

[ReloaderFred]

Springfield:

Bring out the XD in 10mm and 9x23 Winchester. An XD loaded with 20 rounds of 9x23 Win. ammunition would be a great high capacity handgun fully equal to the .357 Magnum......

Hope this helps.

Fred

[45nut]

How about a Ruger SRH in 454 that is not so ugly?

I like mine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/45nut/revolvers/P1040112.jpg

[bowfin]

But try to buy a (Dan Wesson) Supermag ... That is where the money is

My son and I looked at the prices of those last night, before I read your post, and you are absolutlely right. Bidding on a new .445 Supermag doesn't seem to slow down on this side of $1500, and the prices of the .414s and .375s blow right past the .445s.

If I were running one of the big gun companies, I would keep an eye on used gun prices. When the discontinued models start bringing large premiums, it is time to reintroduce them, as S&W has done with some of their revolvers.

[Tim357]

Ruger SP101 adjustable, or at least interchangeable sights in .357. And 4" bbl for kicks

[thegreatdane]

I agree with reloaderfred. The XD in 10mm would be a huge kick to the 10mm market and a great success for springfield.

[40sandwfan]

I gotta say, I agree with 9.3x62AL in that I'd love to see a Glock in the size of the 23 in .45ACP not the GAP. Also when reloaderfred mentioned the XD in 10mm, that would be awesome too! I'd rather have the Glock but I'll take what I can get. I'm getting more and more partial to my .45's and would love the Glock option mentioned here.

[Kraschenbirn]

For Ruger: +1 on the a SA chambered for one of the "modern" .32s...with a spare cylinder in .32-20 offered as an option.

For S&W: Bring back the 610 in a plain-jane, 4" model.

Bill

[451whitworth]

How about a Ruger SRH in 454 that is not so ugly?
the SRH is to revolvers what the Glock is to pistols.

[Golfswithwolves]

Mr. Bowfin- I agree with you whole-heartedly that Ruger should bring back their Old Army revolver!

[Ilwil]

I like the Taurus Tracker; they should have made one in .44 special. That would have made the best single carrying-DA for that caliber.

[frankenfab]

Magnum Research should introduce a "medium frame" length BFR for calibers such as .357 MAX, .445 Supermag, etc.

[NHlever]

Ruger needs a large frame 5 shot single action, any caliber.

They also need a 5 shot GP, any caliber.

Yea, I thought so too. When I worked at Ruger, I worked closely with Engineering. Years ago they bought 5 shot tooling for the set up they drilled the cylinders with for a project that didn't work out. I tried very hard to get them to do a 5 shot .45 Colt, but they couldn't see why anyone would want a 5 shot when they could buy a 6 shot, and never did anything about it. Now the cylinders are processed on CNC so it doesn't make much difference how many holes there are. On the 5 shot GP-100 I would say write the CEO on that one, I'm not sure it is totally hopeless. It is possible in .41, .44 Special as well as .45 ACP I think.

[NHlever]

Ruger SP101 adjustable, or at least interchangeable sights in .357. And 4" bbl for kicks

I like that plan, and once you get the adjustable sights Ruger could sell some more .22 LR's on that platform too. I'm pretty confident that was the problem with .22 sales before. Way back when , I built 3 .22 LR prototypes on the Security Six frame. They shot well, and handled well, but nothing was ever done with them. I agree that the SP-101 needs a good 3-4" adjustable sight option. It wouldn't be out of the question to get one in the same black finish they use on other stainless products either. I've handled a few custom SP-101's done with adjustable sights, and the black finish, and really liked them.

[NHlever]

For Ruger: +1 on the a SA chambered for one of the "modern" .32s...with a spare cylinder in .32-20 offered as an option.

For S&W: Bring back the 610 in a plain-jane, 4" model.

Bill

I'm wondering lately if there would be any interest in single actions like a .357 with spare .38 Special cylinder, or a 45 Colt with a spare .45 Schofield cylinder, etc. . It would make cleaning much easier for folks that shoot a lot of those calibers, and probably be more accurate than firing those rounds in the longer chambers. The .45 Shofield can probably be done with an existing .45 ACP cylinder, but the 9mm chambers are too big for that conversion.

[Tim357]

And how about a Glock single-stack 9mm or 40? While the 19 fits my hand very well, the 26/27 feel like a 2x4. Something along the size of an HK P7...

[Combat Diver]

On the 5 shot GP-100 I would say write the CEO on that one, I'm not sure it is totally hopeless. It is possible in .41, .44 Special as well as .45 ACP I think.

Guys,

Gary Reeder is making a 5 shot GP-100 with a 5 shot cylinder in .41 Mag, .44 SPL and .356 GNR called the Skorpion.


http://www.reedercustomguns.com/revolvers/skorpion.htm


CD

[kbstenberg]

Combat Diver I was very interested till i saw the price. I would be the first in line IF Ruger came out with a 5 shot 44 special in double action GP.

[NHlever]

I know that Ruger has at least looked at the 5 shot GP-100 in various calibers, so I'm just saying talk to them, and keep that thought alive. A factory 5 shot GP would be a lot more reasonable in cost than any custom one. Because I used to work there, I really don't want to say more than that.

[targetshootr]

I know that Ruger has at least looked at the 5 shot GP-100 in various calibers, so I'm just saying talk to them, and keep that thought alive. A factory 5 shot GP would be a lot more reasonable in cost than any custom one. Because I used to work there, I really don't want to say more than that.

After you mentioned it I sent a note to the ceo on their website. Now it occurs to me that one custom shop is again offering 5 shot GPs which makes me wonder if there's any chance he has a reason to anticipate that a factory version might be on the horizon.

[DanWalker]

If you'll forgive the hijack, I have a suggestion.
I'd like to see the firearms manufacturers follow the lead of the ATV industry and work to get legislation passed that actually helps them create a market for their product. Specifically, I think they should be working with the Game and Fish and whomever has the authority, to get pistol caliber carbines allowed for big game hunting in the previously shotgun only states. There are a tremendous number of hunters who'd jump right up to buy a 357 or 44 magnum Handi rifle or lever action carbine. Imagine it, once the outdoor press got involved. Look what they did with the Guide gun and the 45/70. I feel this is an enormous,untapped market.

[358wcf]

Enormous demand for a K-frame S&W in any of the 32Long, H&RMag, 327 family-
Even a target-sighted 4-5" J-frame (ala Kitgun) would be very well received-
Short runs of these in the past few decades sold out instantly!!! The market would support these fun, accurate revolvers--- Please, in traditional BLUE???
Just my 2cents-

358wcf [smilie=1:[smilie=1:[smilie=1:

[DanWalker]

More compact aluminum and alloy framed 1911's for CCW guns.

[redneckdan]

Single six in 32 H&R mag, unfluted cylinder, either 5.5 or 4 5/8", bisley grip frame....aluminum if possible.

[Onty]

I would like to see Ruger really utilize the Super Redhawk frame... ...like this http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/NEW/images/Projec2.44%20SRH%20AK%207.5%20in.%20002.jpg (from http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/NEW/Projects.htm#The_Real_Super_Redhawk ) . How about slimmer lighter barrel to get gun withing 48 oz, and SBH hammer spur?


...BFR, needs to get their junk together, if they offered Bisley grips and some shorter barrel lengths, Ruger would be toast in the single action arena...

I once called their custom shop and mentioned Bisley frame, I have feeling that I insulted guy on other side of the line. His NO was more than convincing to think twice before calling for the same proposal again.

Also, I called manufacturer of those spare cylinders for NM BH/SBH available from Brownells, and asked about 5 and and 6 bore stainless cylinders, including those with pilot holes http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=0/k=ruger+cylinder/t=P/ksubmit=y/Products/All/search=ruger_cylinder . The answer was they don’t like stainless steel and there will be no stainless cylinders, period. I wish I live in US, I will start making them immediately, as well as new hammers for RH and SRH...


I'm wondering lately if there would be any interest in single actions like a .357 with spare .38 Special cylinder, or a 45 Colt with a spare .45 Schofield cylinder, etc. . It would make cleaning much easier for folks that shoot a lot of those calibers, and probably be more accurate than firing those rounds in the longer chambers. The .45 Shofield can probably be done with an existing .45 ACP cylinder, but the 9mm chambers are too big for that conversion.

This exactly what I was thinking of. I will add to this 44 magnum/44 Special combo on NM BH/SBH. On top of that, I would like to see more SA NM with 6,5˝ barrel, not just 357. In number of states 6˝ is a minimum barrel length for handgun hunting, and I think that it makes more sense to go with 6.5˝, rather than 6˝ barrel.

Now, I will just give you a hint that I am working on some of those new guns we want. I cannot tell you more than this, but as soon as some of my wishes are confirmed, I will let you know. Even start new GB ...

[targetshootr]

Those GP and RH hammers are rough on your fingers. Ruger should upgrade their rear sights too. They're way too flimsy.

[redneckdan]

Oh, and make bisley frames readily available on the aftermarket.....no more of this lean manufacturing carp....

[S.R.Custom]

Magnum Research should introduce a "medium frame" length BFR for calibers such as .357 MAX, .445 Supermag, etc.

What he said, but LOUDER!

[BackWoods Billy]

"Ruger should get some quality control."!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just got a Hunter and waiting on the 10 day thing.Thinking of sending it back.. What's going on with you guys????? I don't even think they care like they use too.....Magnum Research , make a BFR .44mag in 7.5 taped for a scope and I'll buy one....

[Onty]

"Ruger should get some quality control."!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just got a Hunter and waiting on the 10 day thing.Thinking of sending it back.. What's going on with you guys????? I don't even think they care like they use too.....Magnum Research , make a BFR .44mag in 7.5 taped for a scope and I'll buy one....

I was really thrilled when found Hunter Bisley, I didn't like that rib for scope and already find local smith to remove it. I even put $60 deposit, but after thinking about sloppy fitted cylinder (both directions), I walked away. Talking about Ruger QC, according to number of posts, folks who purchased those revolvers made as a special orders for distributors are reporting good quality.

Now, If BFR makes Bisley in 500 JRH, I will be the first in the line to grab one.

[John Ross]

S&W needs to bring out a shortened X-Frame with a cylinder 1.9" long, in a variety of calibers. I wrote an extensive article about this. They got all the tooling done. The engineering work is finished. Then management changed and they never carried through.

http://www.john-ross.net/heavymag.php

[lbaize3]

I would like to see Ruger offer a Blackhawk revolver in 38/357, 9mm, and 38 super/9X23. I had one with 357 and 9mm cylinders and found a third cylinder in 9mm. I had a local gunsmith rechamber the extra 9mm to 38 super and then fit it to my gun. It would also shoot 9X23. It was accurate and I always had a choice of ammo from my shelves. Ruger could offer it as a three cylinder kit or could offer the third cylinder from their custom shop.