Smoothies: Solids or Slugs - Oh My?

[Old Ironsights]

Imagine a .410 smoothie.

Imagine a 210gr .410 Keith type SWC, or say, a 240gr SWC.

Put said boolit into a .444 case with an appropriate low-pressure powder and light crimp.

Got potential? :???:

What if the 240 were hollowbased like a Minnie (bringing it down to the 200 range)

I really hate those sub 150gr (hell, sub 100gr) .410 slugs... :mrgreen:

[Pepe Ray]

It mostly depends on how tight the choke is.
I'm working on a Rossi SS, .45Colt/.410.
The .444 cases were my first choice too. But there's still a huge jump to the bore/lands. Just sent for some .410 Brass. There are other ,longer cases out there but their not handy to get. If I have any success w/these I'll post same.
Pepe Ray P.S. With this mod. the choke is removed before fireing slugs.

[Old Ironsights]

No choke. Win 9410. Trying to see if there is any practical way to get the terminal energy up to at least the .357 rather than sub 38-40.

But maybe I'm missing somthing.

The .444 case is 2.105" nominal with 2.55" being the max OAL (in a .444)

Now, a 9410 takes a max 2.5" .410.

Why couldn't a pure-lead light loaded .444 using .410 bullets (like a .41Mag SWC) work? Would a bullet like that be impossible to stabilize without rifling? What if it used somthing like LEE's keyed system?

[Wayne Smith]

Have you seen this? First Kill with 11.4x74R Wildcat Contender
MikeP Oviously, I don't know how to make that a link, but it's under the Wheelguns, Pistols and Handcannon heading. That's a European brass that fits a Contender .410 chamber.

[Pepe Ray]

OIS.
The Forster slugs,being hollow based, stabilize pretty well. In a smooth bore I'd look for a hollow based bullet.
I've read of other slug configurations that stabilize but, your getting into spending ,to me, lots of money for custom molds etc.
Also , don't forget, the shotgun chamber msmnts. must include space for the crimp to unfold. Pepe Ray

[Old Ironsights]

That's another reason I'm leaning to an exposed bulled .410/.444 loading. Plenty of room to uncrimp.

[floodgate]

Ironsights:

Lyman actually made at one time (cataloged 1963 - 74) a .410 Foster slug mould, but I've never run across one. Like the 12-16-20 ga. ones, it would be a deep hollow base, without the outside spiral grooves. (They made a push-through die to cut these, but experiments show that the Foster slugs shoot just as well - or badly!- without the grooves.)

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[Slowpoke]

I know a guy that loads a 40 cal 200 gr HP XTP in a 2 1/2" hull and kills a lot of deer.

He shoots in out of a Stoeger OU.

His load is 18 gr of H110, with the BPI wad that they sell that comes with a Round ball for .410's , can't remember the name., I asked him what hull he used and he said any that is rated for a 1/2 oz load. His words.

I seen him put 6 shots on a 4 in aiming dot at a 100 yrds with just the bead for a sight.

good luck

[Leftoverdj]

I've got a 220 grain .410 HBWC mould, Lyman 41027. Sent a batch to a fellow working on a similar project. He reported that they made pretty fair .410 slugs after he drilled out the hollow a bit more.

[Old Ironsights]

Thanks Slowpoke.

Leftover: I wonder if the 41027 can be re-pinned for a deeper HB?

[0802]

I saw one of the .410 Lyman molds on eBay this past spring. Someone had one each of 12, 16, and .410 molds and was selling them all in separate auctions. I tried to get the .410, but it just went too high. IIRC, it went for around $250, the 16 for upwards of $100.

Anyone ever thought of doing a group buy on a .410 mold? I'm sure someone here has the specs on the Lyman mold or we could get them on a factory slug. Sure would be a lot cheaper than buying a used one . . .

[nelsonted1]

A friend I hunted with in MN wanted to rebarrel a 410 SMLE enfield to a rifled 410 and use brass 410 labelled shells loaded to 41 magnum power. Then they OKd pistols and he gave up on the idea

[Leftoverdj]

Old, yeah, it's easy to make another pin.

[Old Ironsights]

I was looking at this pic of the 41027: http://www.three-peaks.net/images/410027-41027_217g.gif

I doesn't appear to be a nose pour/hollow base. Is yours custom?

Looks like it would be a nice mold to find, though I wonder if a 75%-80% meplat tangent wouldn't get slightly better range than a full WC.