Nef Buffalo Classic

[Jetwrench]

I have a question regarding the strentgh of the 45-70 buffalo classic. What class does it fit in? Trap door, marlin or other? I am not looking for specific loads, just a general idea of how far to push it. Thanks in advance. Jetwrenchl

[Tom-ADC]

I'm can't say as to the pressures but I'd guess that you are going to run out of shoulder before the rifle gives up.
After reading this I'd say trapdoor levels. http://www.hr1871.com/documents/manuals/new/Buffalo-Classic.pdf

[wgr]

I have a question regarding the strentgh of the 45-70 buffalo classic. What class does it fit in? Trap door, marlin or other? I am not looking for specific loads, just a general idea of how far to push it. Thanks in advance. Jetwrenchl
marlin are even bottom end ruger loads the rifle is rated for 50,000psi. i have one and i would say that mid marlin loads will be all you want. trapdoor loads around 12/1400 will be easyer on the sholder and kill anything in north America

[frykasj]

I put exactly ONE 50,000 PSI load through my Buffalo Classic. The gun was fine, but my shoulder wasn't.

NEF and H&R use this action for 10 Ga. shotguns and even a .500 S&W rifle. Pressures aren't an issue, but I cut back on my loads to save on chiropractor bills...

[wgr]

I put exactly ONE 50,000 PSI load through my Buffalo Classic. The gun was fine, but my shoulder wasn't.

NEF and H&R use this action for 10 Ga. shotguns and even a .500 S&W rifle. Pressures aren't an issue, but I cut back on my loads to save on chiropractor bills...
i never got close to 50,000 and backed off that steal butt plate is a killer

[Jetwrench]

Thanks Fellas I really appreciate the help. Jetwrench

[CWME]

All I shoot out of mine is real powder puff loads with Trail Boss. I am a sissy I guess. I second the but plate being real mean on the shoulder!

[Shooter6br]

My Ruger NO 1 is about 8lbs with scope i load for 1200 -1250 fps with 350 g Ranchdog..In fact for range work I use 10g Unique . If i really push it i load H322 to get 1500 fps.

[Shooter6br]

Ruger at work

[Taylor]

I called H&R yesterday for this very reason.I was told they were rated at 30-35,000 psi,but he couldn't find his paperwork on them.So he settled on 30,000.

[wgr]

I called H&R yesterday for this very reason.I was told they were rated at 30-35,000 psi,but he couldn't find his paperwork on them.So he settled on 30,000.

yes thats what they will tell you but the put the 500s&w on the same fram and its rated to 50,000 psi. makes no diff. at that loading it will kick your eye balls out its a 6 pound rifle

[phaessler]

NEF and H&R use this action for 10 Ga. shotguns and even a .500 S&W rifle. ...

The shotgun frame is way different than the rifle frame, first thing is barrels do not swap between the two, and the frame width is different. And the 10ga frame is larger than the 12ga.

Either way this question has be asked/answered a bunch of time over on
www.greybeardoutdoors.com , they have an H&R forum, with tons of information.

Pete

[giz189]

[QUOTE=frykasj;1153764]I put exactly ONE 50,000 PSI load through my Buffalo Classic. The gun was fine, but my shoulder wasn't.

QUOTE]
BAC has a leather lace up recoil pad that helps a lot. Doesn't look to bad on the rifle either.

[phaessler]

Also be sure the 'weight' is in the buttstock too, I have used ,a piece of lead filled 1/2" copper pipe cut to fit, it is a great substitute for the "sometimes" factory steel weight, its under the buttplate.

Pete

[Tom-ADC]

Mine makes its first trip (for me) to the range tomorrow but mines in 38-55, for 45-70 going to shoot the rolling block..

[cajun shooter]

There is a slip on recoil pad called the Limb saver and I used one on my 45-70 model. If you are determined to use the heavy loads then have a recoil reducer installed in the stock. This weight rifle was meant to shoot medium loads all day and have fun. Buy a 13lb rifle for the other stuff.

[tdoor4570]

That rifle will take all you can stand. I have both the reg barrel and the buffalo barrel. Just load her to thegills,pull up your big boy panties and let her rip. lots of fun and great preformance to:redneck:

[CWME]

That rifle will take all you can stand. I have both the reg barrel and the buffalo barrel. Just load her to thegills,pull up your big boy panties and let her rip. lots of fun and great preformance to:redneck:

I would then suggest wearing "pull ups", as in a diaper, so when you chit yourself after you yanked the trigger on a full house load there will be less to clean up:holysheep[smilie=l:

sorry ina comical mood tonight I guess...:redneck:

[Old Goat Keeper]

Right on CWME! Gives a whole nother meaning to the term "getting the s**t kicked outta ya!"

Tom who says if it hurts it ain't fun anymore



I would then suggest wearing "pull ups", as in a diaper, so when you chit yourself after you yanked the trigger on a full house load there will be less to clean up:holysheep[smilie=l:

sorry ina comical mood tonight I guess...:redneck:

[mroliver77]

[Like has been said, in 45-70 the wuss factor kicks in before pressure is an issue with me.:veryconfu Even in my Rem RB!
Jay

[Mumblypeg]

For comparison, I had a Ruger # 3 once in 45-70. I just had to try a full power load to see what it was like. I loaded a 350 grain with IMR 3031. Well... I shot it twice like that... I think, I realy don't remember. Never again. Glad I didn't try 500 grainers...

[tdoor4570]

my load is 54.5 gr. IMR3031 behind a 325gr FTX slug from hornady, excellant load out of my 6 1/2 lb. syn.stock NEF single. 1 inch or less at 100 yds. My Marlin is 55 gr IMR3031 behind 350 gr. round nose also 1 inch or lessw at 100 yds. same load is used in my buffalo cassic barrel. my 1884 dantish rolling block is 70 gr. Pyrodex RS behind a 412 gr cast , I can keep that one around 2 in. with the cheap sights that it has, trying to upgrade sights when i get some extra cash.:coffeecom

[725]

That light rifle kills on one end and maims on the other, if you really stoke it up. When I was younger and more foolish, I shot some hot loads with no ill effects to the rifle. It dawned on me that it was not even close to being necessary with the .45-70. Mild trap door loads are great hunters. Just for giggles, look up comercial ammo from Garrett. They produce monster loads for the .45-70 and have a listing of the arms it is suitable for. They say the NEF (aka H&R) is suitable for many of their more outragious loads. As always, use your best judgement.

[John Boy]

What class does it fit in? Trap door, marlin or other?
Jet, the BC 45-70 fits into the Trapdoor and Marlin class. Ruger? Absolutely NO

The BC receiver is the SB2 receiver for rifles. Shotguns have the SB1 receivers for lower pressures

The NEF factory told you wrong about the 30,000 psi. The BC is within the SAAMI pressure specification for the 45-70 and that is a maximim 28,000 psi

BTW, the barrel is made by Green Mountain and very accurate. For non competition practice, I shoot mine with black powder and a vernier rear out to 1000 yds and am pleased with the groups. My best group at 600yds for 5 shots was
2 1/4 x 7" with 3 holes one could cover with a silver dollar

[Gtek]

I looked and looked when first one hit my rack. I called H&R/NEF could not get specific PSI or load and was finally told Trapdoor. My row of manuals I settled up with 86 Win and middle of the road Marlin 95 stuff. With "J" 300 gr. stuff running 1600 to 1900 range super accurate. 405 PB running 45 gr. of 3031 You can try the top end 1895, I was over it about round four on the bench with the butt full of shot. Same round through one of my 95's is nothing. Stock config and light. It will take more than where you probably will want play at. Be safe if Trapdoor in house, be really safe. -Gtek

[161]

I had a BC for a few weeks. I loaded 10 rnds of 405 Remington jacketed with RL7 @ the top side of the Marlin data. By the third shot I forgot who I was and why I was there. I think I wet myself a little to. Traded it for a 10 lb. Pedersoli Billy Dixon Sharps. I shoot the bottom end of the Trapdoor data now.
Warren

[nicholst55]

I e-mailed NEF once and asked them this question after reading on Buffalo Bore's website that the gun was suitable for Marlin-level loads. NEF verified that, but now they use the same SB2 receiver for the .500 S&W chambering, which is much, much higher pressure.

Trust those who have said that your shoulder will give out before the rifle does!

And FWIW, the NEF Topper Deluxe Trap Gun stock, complete with a nice recoil pad, will interchange with the rifle receiver!

[craveman85]

my shoulder wont give out before the rifle. i did some very extensive testing one day. 120 rounds with 500 grain cast bullets using varying charges of 3031 from min to max. with a t shirt on. man up sally. however i was purple for a week.

[161]

however i was purple for a week.
Stupidity is not knowing when to give up.

Just kidding
If we ever meet I shall have to call you Sir!! I couldn't stand 120 rnds.

[school of mines]

I tested some RCBS 405 grain boolits with beginning Marlin loads today in my Buffalo Classic. The rifle handled them fine. My shoulder on the other hand was screaming "uncle" after 10 rounds! I used a PAST recoil pad and have lead in the butt stock, but the kick was pretty stout! I'm going to stay with trapdoor level loads in my BC!

[Tracy]

The shotgun frame is way different than the rifle frame, first thing is barrels do not swap between the two, and the frame width is different.

Pete

Not true, unless they have totally redesigned it recently. There are only two frame sizes: 10 gauge and everything else. The 12 gauge Ultraslug is built on the 10 gauge frame. All the other shotguns are on SB1 frames. The SB2 frame is the same size as the SB1 and will accept SB1 barrels; it is just heat treated to handle the .308, .30/06 etc. I have several SB1s, SB2s, NEF and older H&R Topper shotguns, and a Topper rifle with accessory shotgun barrel. The barrels will interchange between all of them. The factory doesn't recommend it, but on my guns it is physically possible.
Pre-NEF and early NEF shotguns had cast iron frames, but the size was the same and the barrels will physically interchange. H&R even made many .45/70, .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .30/30 and .22 Hornet rifles on the cast iron frames.

[Casting Timmy]

That's what I love and hate about my handi rifle in 45-70, you'll never have to worry about working a load up to max as the gun can take so much more than your body.

How bad was it filling up your stock with lead? I need to still do that to mine.

[troyboy]

Like has been said the frame is a sb2 same as the 500s&w. You can load to any level you can stand. Like was said before check gbo out. There is more information there then any other place for the bc/handi

[redneckdan]

I had one. Sold it and got a ruger #3. I have shot a few 500 gr full snort loads from the #3. Definitely a wake up call but it was nothing compared to mid range marlin stuff in the BC. that thing was plain brutal.

[troyboy]

I am sure a lot of the recoil from the BC has a lot to do with angle of the stock.