new mold inputs for 45

[sdelam]

I am looking for a mold that will work with both my 1911's and my G36. The only one i have found that works so far is the lyman 452-374. I have tried several lee molds including 452-230 2r, 452-200 RF, 452-228 1R And 452-160 RF. I'd like to switch to a 185-200g bullet to stretch my lead supply.

The issues seem to be with the shoulder like on the 230 2R. The extracted case hits the shoulder on the next round and jams the gun up. The gun shoots HP's fine but does not like the broad flat point of the 200 RF. The 160 RF fed fine but was a pain to size/lube and was not very accurate and the 228 1R had to be seated so deep it would not feed well.

Any suggestions?

[btroj]

Have you tried the Lee 230 TC? It feeds well in my 1911 and is pretty accurate too.

[geargnasher]

Had similar problems, here's my solution:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27893&d=1293080301

Based on the Lee TL-230-2R, I had this boolit designed specifically to have the correct weight, nose profile, seated COAL, and shoulder position for ideal feeding and function in the 1911-style pistols. Seat the front shoulder to .005" or so from the case mouth and it won't trip the slide lock. So far it has fed flawlessly in even the most stubborn of my .45's because the loaded cartridge fits and fills the magazine and has the correct nose length and profile to transition from the mag to the chamber without binding.

It's Accurate Molds catalog #45-230L, check it out and see. If you want to, I'm sure that Tom will alter the design to a single-groove and shorter base in the 200-grain range, or make any other changes you wish to the design.

Gear

[GabbyM]

Did the 200 grain RNFP you tried look anything like this one. We use these in Springfield XP’s. This is the Magma Inc bullet.
I wouldn’t’ think the meplat wouldn't be to large and there is no shoulder. Issue you run into is the seating stem in loading die sets for acp doesn’t fit the bullet to well as they are made for Gov Ball profile. That can be fixed.
There are some 200 grain truncated cone bullets out there that may work for you also.
If you’d like to try some of these 200 rnfp send me a PM.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=32&pictureid=3208

[sdelam]

[QUOTE=GabbyM;1134001]Did the 200 grain RNFP you tried look anything like this one. We use these in Springfield XP’s. This is the Magma Inc bullet.
I wouldn’t’ think the meplat wouldn't be to large and there is no shoulder. Issue you run into is the seating stem in loading die sets for acp doesn’t fit the bullet to well as they are made for Gov Ball profile. That can be fixed.
There are some 200 grain truncated cone bullets out there that may work for you also.
If you’d like to try some of these 200 rnfp send me a PM.
QUOTE]


This is what I have,

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=110378

They feed fine in the 1911 but I could not load a full mag in the Glockwithout the first round getting stuck.

Yours seem to have a more rounded nose and might work.

[sdelam]

Gear that sure is a pretty mold, but it looks like it has a slight shoulder on it. Do you have a pick of any loaded rounds?

[btroj]

:kidding:Gear, how much time do you spend cleaning and polishing moulds so they look new for a photo?
That is a good looking mould, a photo of a loaded round would be nice. Don't want to just tease us do you?

[excess650]

If a slight shoulder is your problem, try the Lee 452-230-TC. Otherwise, I would have suggested the RCBS 45-201-SWC or the Saeco #69.

[grubbylabs]

I have had great luck with my Xd eating the 230 grain T/C from lee, but the mold itself did not hold up. Tom at Accurate added a design just like it to his catalog. I wound up ordering the one he recommended and have yet to load some to see how they feed but they look like they should do just fine. It has a slightly rounder profile that the T/C.

If you would like to try some of what I have let me know. I have gotten some really nice free stuff here so I don't mind helping out a little as well.

Good luck with your search.

By the way Tom is excellent to work with and will make any thing you want within the limits of his machine.

[MtGun44]

The XP is a real mess on boolit design. Because it drags the extracted brass hard over
the next round in the mag, so far nothing except RN with no shoulder has worked in
my brother's gun. I kinda liked the XP up until then, was thinking about getting one, but
the inability to shoot the std H&G 68 (SWC) loads that run perfectly through all my other .45
ACPs makes this design an absolute non-starter for me. I was really surprised by this situation.

Good luck, at this time it looks like all designs except RN and RF with no shoulder are
out, maybe there is some other solution but IMO it is a serious design problem.

Bill

[sdelam]

The XP is a real mess on boolit design. Because it drags the extracted brass hard over
the next round in the mag, so far nothing except RN with no shoulder has worked in
my brother's gun. I kinda liked the XP up until then, was thinking about getting one, but
the inability to shoot the std H&G 68 (SWC) loads that run perfectly through all my other .45
ACPs makes this design an absolute non-starter for me. I was really surprised by this situation.

Good luck, at this time it looks like all designs except RN and RF with no shoulder are
out, maybe there is some other solution but IMO it is a serious design problem.

Bill

Exact problem as with the Glock 36, the low angle of the rounds in the magazine combined with the slightest shoulder on the bullets cause problems.

Thanks for the sample offers fellas, hopefully I will have a new mold on order soon.

[fredj338]

I use this one from Magma Eng; 200gr LTC. I bought it because my XD choked on my H&G style 200grSWC. This runs in anything. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/45200TCPB.jpg

[geargnasher]

I'll get some pics of loaded rounds tomorrow, but if the shoulder drags on the XD it might be an issue with this design.

Gear

[fredj338]

I'll get some pics of loaded rounds tomorrow, but if the shoulder drags on the XD it might be an issue with this design.

Gear
If that is directed to me, nope, this bullet runs 100%. It's very sim the the Lee TC, but 200gr. It does have to be loaded short, like 1.220", but feeds 100%.

[geargnasher]

No Fred, it was in reference to the boolit mould in the pic I posted that I had Tom design, and was directed to everyone in general because MTGun44 mentioned shouldered-boolit troubles in the XD.

Gear

[geargnasher]

Here are some I loaded in mixed brass.

Gear

[GabbyM]

The 200 grain rnfp I posted in #4 uses less case capacity in seating than a 200 grain H&G 68. As the weight is more nose forward. Shallow crimp grove allows easy case mouth reduction with taper crimp die to .469" -.470" O.D. for smooth feeding over magazines in the guns that require that function.
Boolit may well have been designed for a revolver but I don’t dwell on sticky issues like that.

I load the Magma 45-200-rnfp to place the case mouth in the crimp grove and it feeds in 1911’s that we’ve tried it in. We do the same with the Saeco 230 grain #954 RNFP with crimp grove.

[NHlever]

I have heard very good things about the Lyman 452460 200 grain SWC, and I notice that Lee has a very similar design. I think those are what I'm going to try next. I've always been a revolver shooter so much of this semi auto stuff is new fun for me. I do think the 200 grain weight is a good compromise between saving lead, accurate shooting, and power.

[gasboffer]

I have a G36 and an XD45 and a Dan Wesson CBOB. The Dan Wesson feeds anything. The XD feeds almost anything. The G36 won"t feed anything but a RN conventional and fact. hollow-points that have a round nose like profile. I have a Lee TC TL, Lee RF, Lee SWC TL, Lee RN TL, Lyman SWC, and probably several more in .45. I've put all but the Lee RN 228 one R in storage. Happily, the RN seems to be more accurate than any of the others also.
Clyde

[justingrosche]

I have a XD 4" service, and have not had any luck feeding any type of SWC either in the light 185-200 range or the heavy stuff like the 452423 or 424. I do have very good performance with the RCBS 230 RN which has the shoulder such as the H&G 34, but have noticed a bit of galling on that shoulder on occasion. I have shot the 452374 which fed well, but accuracy was dismal, same with the 230 Lee Truncated.
Justin

[fredj338]

I have a XD 4" service, and have not had any luck feeding any type of SWC either in the light 185-200 range or the heavy stuff like the 452423 or 424. I do have very good performance with the RCBS 230 RN which has the shoulder such as the H&G 34, but have noticed a bit of galling on that shoulder on occasion. I have shot the 452374 which fed well, but accuracy was dismal, same with the 230 Lee Truncated.
Justin

And you won't get a SWC to feed 100% either. It's why I switched to that 200grTC for any 45acp I own. I still thenk the 200grLSWC is the most accurte bullet I cast for the 45acp, but isn't a good fit in the XD or G36.

[grubbylabs]

I have a XD 4" service, and have not had any luck feeding any type of SWC either in the light 185-200 range or the heavy stuff like the 452423 or 424. I do have very good performance with the RCBS 230 RN which has the shoulder such as the H&G 34, but have noticed a bit of galling on that shoulder on occasion. I have shot the 452374 which fed well, but accuracy was dismal, same with the 230 Lee Truncated.
Justin

I am kinda surprised the T/C did not feed or shoot well for you. I have a 45 XDc with a 4" barrel and it is one of the most accurate bullets I have put through it and it feeds well. Amazing how things differ even when made by the same manufacturer.

[justingrosche]

The Lee Truncated feed fine, but the accuracy just wasn't there. Kinda made it a mute point that they would feed.
It was especially disappointing because I got this particular mold as a cheap practice round that had the same shape as the Hornaday XTP which I my carry bullet. XTP's shoot great..... the Lee truncated not so much.

[Moonie]

The Mihec 200gr 45 HP mold boolits feed 100% in everything I've tried them in, granted that was only 2 1911's.

[geargnasher]

+1 on the Lee TC boolits and accuracy sucking. Thought it was just me or maybe I didn't spend enough time in load development (which might still be true), but I have many boolit designs that shoot their worst better than the TC ever did in my workups.

Gear

[Boolseye]

This is Lee's 451-200 SWC, standard lube grooves, out of an HK USP at 50'. 20 rds–no feeding problems. I tumble lube it with 45-45-10 and load it over a light load of WST. I have a feeling it'll be fine out of a 1911, too–probably better. I seat almost flush with the end of the bearing surface–too shallow and they won't chamber. I have the 6-banger, and I think I'm gonna keep it.

[softpoint]

I have heard very good things about the Lyman 452460 200 grain SWC, and I notice that Lee has a very similar design. I think those are what I'm going to try next. I've always been a revolver shooter so much of this semi auto stuff is new fun for me. I do think the 200 grain weight is a good compromise between saving lead, accurate shooting, and power.

The Lyman 452460 is one of the most accurate boolits I have in my 1911's AND my 625's. I have no feeding problems if they are seated so the shoulder is barely outside the case.:castmine: