32-115-fn# 32-20 wcf

[lastborn]

Anyone here have this boolit mold ?
RCBS 2-Cavity Bullet Mold 32-115-FN# 32-20 WCF (310 Diameter) 115 Grain Flat Nose Gas Check
I would like to buy a 100 of these boolits to try in a 30/30. Maybe the mold if the price is right.
Shoot me a PM if you can help please.
thanks

[Cimarron Red]

lastborn,


I had considered getting this mould, but if RCBS really intended this bullet for the 32-20, why do they make a mould that drops bullets at .310? And their moulds are spec'ed for linotype! So what would a bullet of 20 - 1 alloy drop at?

All that said, I hope you find some bullets and that they work for you.

[BCall]

I dunno why they spec it at .310, but that is where mine falls at. I have seen some old RCBS mold sheets that list some going to almost .313, I think it was listed at .3128 or something. Mine is a newer make I got not long ago and it casts right at .310 with WW and a little tin. It is also much heavier than 115, coming in right at 124 gr. I am saving the mold, hoping for a contender barrel in 327 mag with a 308 bore in the future. The Ranchdog boolits on the left in the other hand cast right at .314, and weigh 118 gr with the same alloy and shoot great in my 32 mags. The RCBS ones on the right were ran through a .311 push through and it barely touched it at the parting lines. I got the RCBS right before thr RD mold became available, and it has sat there now that I have the RD. I wouldn't pay the current price they want for the RCBS one though. I got this one in a pretty good trade.
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[Guesser]

I think they were trying to compete with the Lyman 311316, my Lyman drops @ .3135 and weighs 115/116 sized .313 checked and lubed. Good bullet, I have sized smaller and used in 30-30 and 30 Herrett, and 30 Carbine in a Ruger. Right now it is being loaded in 327 Federal Magnum and it fair shines in the new chambering and I'm driving it fast.

[Cimarron Red]

I'd like to get a 311316. I bought one on ebay, but it was, ah, not as described, so it went back. I'm currently shooting a Saeco 322 with good accuracy and a Lyman 311008 that shoots well, also, but I wish it had a crimp groove.

[leadman]

I know a fella that is using the Lee 313gr RFN GC in a 32-20 Contender at .309" with what he says is good results. My mold for this bullet drops .313" so would work well for the other 32-20s.
I size it to .311" for my m-i carbines.

[superbee]

I bought the RCBS 32-115-FN mold from Buffalo Arms. They advertise it as casting to a diameter of .313, and using air cooled wheel weights this was the diameter of the last bullets I cast from this mold. The bullets average between 117 and 118 grains, un-lubed and un-checked.

I am measuring on the band right below what I would call the crimp groove.

I size them to .312 and use them in a Marlin 1894Cl 32-20. It is a lot of fun to shoot, but accuracy has been only fair.

The mold is pricey, but I don't buy a lot of molds (yet).

[Cimarron Red]

That's interesting, superbee. Maybe BACO has RCBS make them to their custom specs. If that's the case, I may phone to ask about it, and if they can satisfy me that the mould casts at .313, I'll buy one. Thanks.

[Marine Sgt 2111]

BCall,
I have that same RCBS mold and when I called RCBS about the bullets being undersized they told me that .3105" is the standard diameter for that mold.
Using a star sizer, I drop a cast boolit, nose first down on top of the last one left in the die (.313 die), put a gas check on the back of the boolit and pull the handle. The gas check stops the boolit from falling out of the die (as it's crimped onto the bullet) and is the correct size. My standard load is 10.0 gr of 2400 and that boolit, powder combo gives me 1.75" groups at 150 yds. My barrel slugs out at .3122" and that's on a Marlin 1894CL. For non-gas check loads I use the SAECO 118gr FP or the RCBS 98gr SWC.

[NHlever]

Your accuracy is only a little below average for the Internet, but not bad otherwise. I bet that load is a lot of fun to shoot. It is seldom that one sees a used Marlin 1894 CL used, and I haven't seen a 32-20 for a few years now. I wish they would make another run sometime in all three calibers they offered before. I'm off now to look at an old Winchester 92 in 32-20 that has been reblued so hopefully the price won't be crazy.

[Old Goat Keeper]

NHLever you just have to know where to look. I "collectd" me a trifecta of CLs last year one at a time on GunBroker. They are out there if you look.

Tom who actually shoots his CLs



Your accuracy is only a little below average for the Internet, but not bad otherwise. I bet that load is a lot of fun to shoot. It is seldom that one sees a used Marlin 1894 CL used, and I haven't seen a 32-20 for a few years now. I wish they would make another run sometime in all three calibers they offered before. I'm off now to look at an old Winchester 92 in 32-20 that has been reblued so hopefully the price won't be crazy.

[9.3X62AL]

A cavity spec of .3105" for a mould to be used in 32-20 WCF applications is almost useless. NONE of the 32-20 revolvers or the rifle I have run that small--the Colt Bisley has .311" throats, and the S&W M&P has .314". The rifle (94CL) craves a .313" boolit.

[NHlever]

NHLever you just have to know where to look. I "collectd" me a trifecta of CLs last year one at a time on GunBroker. They are out there if you look.

Tom who actually shoots his CLs

For the time being I have a little Marlin 336 TS that I am using as a poor man's 32-20. I use the Lyman 311316 115 FNGC, and Lyman 3118 ( I believe the new number is 311008) over around 5.0 grains of Red Dot. I'm getting excellent accuracy, and full expansion of the cases, just can't fit as many in my pants pocket. :D I did look at the old Winchester, but it was $1750.

[9.3X62AL]

I did look at the old Winchester, but it was $1750.

HIJO LA, too cold for this customer!

I should have given a more detailed statement during my above comment, but got lazy. A nominal 32-20 WCF boolit/mould at .3105" is a lot like RCBS (and other makers') 45-70 moulds that produce .457" castings. Basically useless.

This begs the question, "Why do the mouldmakers persist is these practices?" I can't speak for those makers, but I suspect that *classic* dimensions that continue as above might have to do with original blackpowder usage and either pure lead or binary alloy (lead/tin) boolit composition used with blackpowder. I believe that lead and lead/tin can be more readily "bumped up" by the low-grade detonation produced by blackpowder, and if such is the case then an undersized boolit isn't such an issue.

With the progressive burning of smokeless propellants, and the tri-metal alloys often used in boolits for these calibers, I'm not certain that "bump-up" can be relied upon to fill a throat or barrel like it can with BP as above.

[btroj]

Ah yes, the famous " Because we have always done it that way"!
My favorite answer of all times.

[9.3X62AL]

Ah yes, the famous " Because we have always done it that way"!
My favorite answer of all times.

True that! Best-case scenario for any cast boolit application is A BOOLIT THAT FITS. This seems to be too demanding a standard for the corporate block cutters--how nice that we have a bevy of craftsmen looking on here that stand ready to get it right for discerning consumers.

[NHlever]

Al, I've seen older Winchester 92's with good bores for $600 - 800. The one I looked at was a mint original one. The guy had said it was "in good shape", but that was an understatement.
What we need to get some of this dimensional stuff straightened out are some knowledgeable folks attending the SAMMI meetings. It seems to take years, or generations for simple things to get ironed out, and in the meantime shooters don't have the products they want, and need, and the manufacturers don't have the sales they would like. For example, I would be willing to bet real money that the "weird" chamber some have mentioned in the Marlin 1894CL 25-20's is actually the old Marlin chamber which was a bit longer. Back then Marlin, and Winchester were at war, and never made their chambers the same. I forget right now what the Marlin designation for that chambering was, but it was like the Winchester 25-35, and Marlin 25-36 thing. Similar, but not the same.