Help with an old rim fire

[autofix4u]

I have an old singe shot 22 rifle that my dad gave me for my 13th Bday. He also got it for his 13th.
Some where along the line my Ex took the bolt out of it.(she didnt want a gun in the house). Well long story short after 11 years of her "not being able to find the gun" I got it back....... Less the bolt.
I have looked at gun shows an gun shops for about 3 years and have been unable to locate a proper bolt assembly.
It is a Wards Western Field Model 25XNH-10N 22S-L-LR
I have been unable to locate it on any interchange but it is very simmilar to a Springfield Model 15.
I would really like to put this old girl back in action.
Thanks, Josh

[autofix4u]

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[John Traveler]

Try Gun Parts Corporation (formerly Numrich Arms Corp) in New York City. They have an online website for identifying and cross referencing guns, manufacturers, and models.

The chances are good that your Montgomery Ward .22 rifle was made by Springfield.

[camerl2009]

i think mossburg made them guns

at least thats what hickok45 said in his vid

[EMC45]

If it's a Mossberg I may have a bolt for it.

[Mk42gunner]

Josh,

I have a Savage-Springfiled Model 120-A, which is a later version of the Modle15. The action and barrel are one piece on them, plus your trigger assembly is a lot different.

Robert

[autofix4u]

Josh,

I have a Savage-Springfiled Model 120-A, which is a later version of the Modle15. The action and barrel are one piece on them, plus your trigger assembly is a lot different.

Robert

Robert, That is the best advice I have had so far
My action is most defintly a seprate piece from the barrel, I however cannot find any evidence of barrel threads or pins, maybe a press fit? .

[2152hq]

I think it may be a Noble Model 10 rifle.

Noble Firearms Co. was in Mass. went out of business in the early 70's.

Don't recall the particulars but a quick search will turn up some info on the company and possibly the rifle.
Wards Model# with the '10N' in it suggests a Noble Model 10.

Noble made a Model 20 single shot also but it had a bbl and receiver all of one piece IIRC, and a slightly longer bbl.. I don't know if the bolt would interchange between the two.

The Model 10 & 20 were 1950's to perhaps mid 60's mfg.


Hope you get it back in order. Sometimes the simplest of things mean the most.

[Mk42gunner]

Josh,

Could you post some dimensions? It may help to find a bolt that will work.

Length from breechface to locking lug.

From breech face to rear of action.

From Breech face to rear of sear surface.

Diameter of action recess.

Where the extractor fits the breech, (clock position).

I am guessing this was a manually cocked bolt???

Robert

[autofix4u]

I will do some measuring tonight and post here.
I found some schematics for Mossburg and Springfield and have ruled them out as the origin of this rifle.

[Maven]

Josh, If you need to go to Gun Parts Corp. (nee Numrich Arms) here's their correct address, etc.:

www.gunpartscorp.com Tel. no. is 845-679-2418

Gun Parts Corporation
226 Williams Lane
West Hurley, N.Y. 12491

[NoZombies]

Get me the dimensions, I *may* have a bolt that will work. If I do, it's yours for the cost of shipping.

[autofix4u]

Here are the measurments as best as I can measure..
Bore dia .565"
breach to back of reciver 3.885"
Breach to back of lug 1.690"
Breach to back of sear 3.355"
Extractor cut 11:00 to 5:00
This is a manual cocking gun.
Thanks Everyone for the help.

[John Boy]

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=8767

[Mk42gunner]

I've got an old bolt out of an "old .22" I will see if I can find it tomorrow to check the measurements.

Robert

[2152hq]

This is a Noble Model 20 that I mentioned above.
http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=1242&aid=30331&lid=8429708
Broken bolt handle and all!

I believe yours may be a Model 10,,an earlier Noble model.
There are some similaritys though in the shape. The Model 20 does appear to take a different/longer bolt assembly, so I guess that question is answered.

[KCSO]

That really looks like a Stevens M15 bolt rifle. I have a couple that I re did for the kids 30 years ago. The bolts are redily available from GPC and there is a local guy in Allen Nebraska that has the parts also.

[2152hq]

Isn't the Stevens Model 15 a one piece bbl/recv'r assembly?... or maybe I'm thinking of another of their rifles.
So many possibilitys...

[wv109323]

After you find the exact Model number start watching Gunbroker for a bolt. Many people disassemble guns and sell the parts.

[flounderman]

Looking at the blue book, most of the western field guns were made by mossberg. I don't see nobel listed at all except for the nobel 50 and that was a wards 472. the western field 40n was a nobel 40 na, and the wf 472 was a nobel 50 and the wf72 was a nobel 50. odds are you have a mossberg

[Mk42gunner]

I looked for the bolt that I have, but couldn't find it.

How about making a bolt for it? It doesn't seem like it would be all that hard to do, with a little common sence.

Robert

[mroliver77]

I looked in my Numrich catalog and while they list a ton of W.F. there is no model 25 at all. Nothing even resembling your model designation. Most W.F. were made by Mossberg but some by Savage and a couple others. The book is somewhat easier to use than the website so if I can be of any further help just give a shout.
Jay

[JIMinPHX]

Unfortunately, your story is not unique. Many unfortunate rifles have been separated from necessary components over the years. Often, they are orphaned for life. Sometimes the needed part is later found, but it seldom happens quickly.

My advice would be to buy your 13 year old a brand new .22 & start your own family legacy with that gun. I would then hang your well worn friend on the wall where it can sit & wait for its long lost bolt to hopefully reappear someday.

[2152hq]

Looking at the blue book, most of the western field guns were made by mossberg. I don't see nobel listed at all except for the nobel 50 and that was a wards 472. the western field 40n was a nobel 40 na, and the wf 472 was a nobel 50 and the wf72 was a nobel 50. odds are you have a mossberg

I found (not very good) pics of the Noble Mod 10 and 20 in a 1998 'Standard Catalog of Firearms' ,,8th Edition.
At first I thought they just used the same pic for both models but they didn't.
The Model 10 has a shorter length receiver and bolt.
Not much info other than the Model 10 has a 24" bbl and produced in the late 50's,,,the Model 20 a 22" bbl & made from the late 50's to early 60's.
We know from the auction link pictures I posted earlier that the Mod 20 has a one piece bbl/recvr,,so that one is out.

I just keep wondering about that Wards Model number ending in '10N' and a connection to (Model) 10 Noble.
Seems like they used that connection between model numbers at times looking at the other Noble/WesternField models.
The trigger guard and action looks right.
Finding parts would be a real challange.

I'll see if my techno skill are up to the challenge of getting the pics from paper to computer.