For you Ideal historians

[Jack Stanley]

The question is what was the 358250 originally designed for ? I realize it can be used in nearly anything thirty-five caliber , I'm just curious was it made specifically for one cartridge like say the .38 S&W ?

Thanks , Jack

[old turtle]

I do not know but I suspect that is was intended for a rifle round of the period. Just my guess. However it may have been for a 38 Colt Long. Sharpe's "Complete Guide to Handloading" shows a load for this round with 150gr lead bullet which is only shown as Ideal.

[Guesser]

From Ideal Handbook #37:
358250 an excellent bullet in 38 Special, many prefer it to 358311 because of better distribution of lubricant, can be used with all charges of any propellant with any 158 grain bullet in this caliber.
Lyman #42 has load data listed for it in 35 Remington.
358250 was listed in all hand books from #31 to #43

Hope this helps.

[Jack Stanley]

Thanks guys , I was sure somebody had tried it in the special . You know how they would make up a mold for a particular cartridge , I was just curious if this one was made up for say the 38 Colt long or the stubby S&W round .

I haven't weighed the bullet but it looks about a hundred fifty or so grains and it does hold a ton of lube . This mold I think is an Ideal I forget if it has Lyman on it and it's a single cavity . Come to think of it , I don't believe I've ever seen a two or more cavity of this style .

Jack

[Guesser]

It was first listed in Ideal # 31 and that came out in the early 30's, so I doubt that it was designed for the 38 Colt. If you have any of the books from 31 to 43 you should be able to find it, look in rifle also.

[Jack Stanley]

The earliest Lyman book I have has a copyright date of 1973 inside the cover , it has a picture of a target with a few fired cases a rifle and a ammo box on it . It doesn't list it but that not really a big thing when I get ready to load these I intend to be conservative with them for a bit .

If the mold was introduced in the thirties , now I wonder who designed it .

Jack

[Guesser]

Jack; the book you are referring to is the 2nd edition Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook and no it is not in there. Lyman Handbook #43 is copyrighted 1964. I'll look in the 1st Edition Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook and see what it says, it came out in 1957 or so. I'll get back if I find anything else about 358250.

[Jack Stanley]

Thank you , I appreciate it .

Jack

[Guesser]

I looked in my copy of Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, 1st ED. It listed the same comments as Lyman #37 did 7 years prior. Should be a good bullet in 38 Special.

[Jack Stanley]

Great thank you . Hopefully in the next few weeks I need to run the Dillon for a while and fool with some thirty-eight ammo , maybe a few three five sevens too .

Jack

[JMtoolman]

My Ideal book no. 35 lists it made for the 38 Special as it's sole use. The toolman.

[jrmartin1964]

I realize this is an old thread, but Lyman's No.358250 was introduced in Ideal's Handbook No.16 (c.1904) as follows:
"358250. This is our new standard bullet for .38 S.&W. Special. The shell crimps in the bevel groove, which prevents the bullet from receding and obviates the necessity of a grooved shell." This listing was repeated in Handbook No.17 (c.1906) No.358250 was subsequently absent from handbooks No.18 through No.30, and reappeared in handbook No.31 (1934) through No.43 (1964). It's final appearance was in the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, 2nd Edition (1973), as part of the mould reference pages.

The earliest design in the old Ideal Handbooks for the .38 S.&W. Special was No.358210, a 167 grain round-nose which was first listed in Ideal Handbook No.13 (1901) and remained in the handbooks through No.16 (although in Handbook No.16 it was no longer in the listing of standard designs, but relegated to the "special" list). In those early days the description simply stated "358210 is the regular bullet for .38 S.&W. military revolver."