Loads need for Lyman 457193 in Marlin 1895GG

[brstevns]

Does anyone use this Bullet Lyman 457193 in their marlin 1895GG. The mold I have drops a bullet weighing 430gr after lubing.

[brstevns]

Guess this was a dumb question once I started searching the forum. Lets of great loads. Does anyone use Unique with this bullet? Would like to get a load around 1350.

[btroj]

Never used that bullet or unique in 45-70 but have used a lot of 2400. Try 20 to 24 grains of 2400 and it should be in your velocity window.
Do you own a Lyman cast bullet manual? If not, they are a good reference for things like this.

[Skipper]

Here's another good source. Use the pull down menu on the left:

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

[brstevns]

Thanks this was a great help. (Bullseye in the 45/70?) I have about 3 lb just lying around. Does anyone use it in the 45/70?

[45r]

28.5 grains 5744 shoots real good in my Marlin with a boolit like the one you got.

[pdawg_shooter]

I load a 451114 that drops a 430 over 52gr of AA2495.

[bigted]

for a hoot try putting 70gr of geox 2f blackpowder in a case and compress enough to seat your boolit rite on top of the powder. put an over powder card between the boolit n the powder and let fly...oh and better lube ur boolit with a good blackpowder lube or the mess is gonna be monumental and you will never look at bp again for cartridges....ask me how i know this...lol

its gonna blow ur mind and the fun with the sparks and puff of smoke will make your blood boil i bet...but wait...dont do this if you dont want another exhilirating avenue to chase...its addicting!

[brstevns]

Sounds like fun but what about the clean up?

[doubs43]

Thanks this was a great help. (Bullseye in the 45/70?) I have about 3 lb just lying around. Does anyone use it in the 45/70?

I use 3.0 grains of it to ignite the WC-860 that's on top of it but Bullseye alone is much too fast as a primary powder in the 45-70. (Now just watch someone come along with a load they use!)

[GMW]

Sounds like fun but what about the clean up?
One part Ballistol to five parts water will easily neutralize and clean up any bp residue. Great for the wood too!

[peerlesscowboy]

Guess this was a dumb question once I started searching the forum. Lets of great loads. Does anyone use Unique with this bullet? Would like to get a load around 1350.
32 grains of IMR4198 should get you pretty close, pay attention to COL or you'll have feeding problems in a Marlin 1895.

John C. Saubak

[mattbowen]

Gentleman:
I have a question, I have a modern Pedersoli Sharps and what I am shooting in it now is 16.2 gr. of Trailboss but what I was wondering, are the loads that you are discussing safe to use in the Sharps? I am just curious is why I am asking.

[peerlesscowboy]

Gentleman:
I have a question, I have a modern Pedersoli Sharps and what I am shooting in it now is 16.2 gr. of Trailboss but what I was wondering, are the loads that you are discussing safe to use in the Sharps? I am just curious is why I am asking.
FWIW, the 32gr IMR4198 load above is at the lower end of Lyman's "Trapdoor Springfield" data :coffeecom

John C. Saubak

[mattbowen]

John;

Thanks for the reply, I get a little leery when reading some of load data. I don't want anything to happen.

Matt

[peerlesscowboy]

John;

Thanks for the reply, I get a little leery when reading some of load data. I don't want anything to happen.

Matt
I agree, you can't be too careful, any published loading data is just a guide IMO. For deals like this look at all different sources and in the end it's YOU'R responsibility. If you've got a copy of the latest Hodgdon 2011 Annual Manual look up .45-70 Gov't (Trapdoor Rifles). Both IMR4198 and Trailboss are listed, as so often is the case you'll find their data is a little different than Lymans data but I think you'll be surprised to note that your 16.2gr Trailboss load appears to produce quite a bit more pressure than 32gr IMR4198.

John C. Saubak

[mattbowen]

John;

Thanks, I don't have any Hodgdon manuals, but I do have and use the new Lymans manual and an older Sierra manual. That is interesting tho, I just went to the Hodgdon's web site and see that the Trailboss has 25,600CPU as where the 4198 has19,000CPU but the funny thing is the 4198 has a more defined recoil then the Trailboss. Shooting from the bench the Trailboss has more of a push as to were the 4198 is more like a punch. I started shooting some rounds that a buddy gave me loaded with 4198 in my 22" handi rifle and wanted some thing with a little less recoil that is why I went with the Trailboss. I went by the guidelines that IMR put out ( http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf ) in order to work up the load and it shoot fine and I don't see any signs of HP. I am going to have to try some 4198 again and see what it does in the Sharps.

Thanks again

Matt