Group Buy NOE 308403 167Gr. FN

[SwedeNelson]

NOE 308403 167Gr. FN

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-125-308403167Gr.jpg

Bullet designed by Mr. Harry Pope for extreme accuracy in
competitive shooting in the .30 Springfield rifle. Should be
used as cast and not resized. Bullet seated in case with
fingers so mouth of case extends only half way up base band.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-125-308403167GrCART.jpg

Will get this buy on the schedule as soon as we get 15 orders.
Our delivery schedule is a moving target so if you cant take it for
what it is don’t pay for your order before we get 15 on the list or
send out a request for payment.
We will keep the buy open until 2 or 3 weeks before the date
on the schedule. At that time we will close the buy and send out
a PM with a request for payment. We don’t require payment before then.

Prices will be as follows:
Single cavity mould $68.00 Ea.
Double cavity mould $72.00 Ea.
Three cavity mould $79.00 Ea.
Four cavity mould $85.00 Ea.
Five cavity mould $92.00 Ea.
Plus $10.00 Shipping/Handling.
Foreign orders are a additional $10.00
Prices are subject to change at any time.

You can mix number of cavities in an order to make 15.
We will only offer PB (as shown) on this bullet.

Use LEE Commercial 6-Cavity handles (not included).
No top punch furnished with this mould
as well as a sample of Bull Plate sprue plate lube.
Moulds are machined from 2024 Aluminum
Used for high strength structural and aircraft applications.
Tensile strength range 30,000 to 63,000 psi
Sprue plate (blued), alignment pins, and hardware will be
carbon steel.

Hollow pointing one cavity and furnishing a double
ended pin would be $35.00 Extra.

We will accept Checks, Money Orders and Pay-Pal
Pay-Pal requires a 3% sir-charge.
Pay-Pal acount:
pbsco1@qwestoffice.net
Make checks and money orders out to:
Night Owl Enterprises

Our mailing address is:
Night Owl Enterprises
1645 W 150 N
Provo, Utah 84601
801 377-7289




Thank you for your interest in this buy.
Swede Nelson

[SwedeNelson]

List of orders:
*1 DocHighwall 4 cavity 4PB drill for probe
*2 kennthf 4 cavity 4PB
*3 thehouseproduct 5 cavity 5PB
*4 excess650 4 cavity 4PB
*5 kirb 2 cavity 2PB
*6 shawnsmc 2 cavity 2PB
*7 BCall 4 cavity 4PB
*8 dromia 4 cavity 4PB
*9 closey 2 cavity 2PB
10 swissham 4 cavity 4PB
*11 nicholst55 2 cavity 2PB
*12 Johnny_Cyclone 2 cavity 2PB
*13 DWM 2 cavity 2PB
*14 15bobcat 2 cavity 2PB
*15 Pat I. 3 cavity 3PB
16 12slugger 2 cavity 2PB
*17 25ring 2 cavity 2PB
*18 ktw 2 cavity 2PB
*19 c3d4b2 4 cavity 4PB
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Zip Code list of pated.
60453
67005
12586
92676
65059
DH3 2AY
39300
DL16 7EN
06082
95037
46039
68512
83276
21703
17055



Thanks
Swede Nelson

[Doc Highwall]

I want one for my 30-30 single shot, put me on the list for a four cavity.

[scb]

1, 4 cavity. Thanks

[thehouseproduct]

I'm in for a 5 cavity. Is it worth including a top punch for a boolit that is ruined by sizing?

[excess650]

I'll take a 4 cavity! These are all plainbase, correct?

[SwedeNelson]

thehouseproduct
Good point - it would just make more problems to have it.
Top punch not included with this mould.

excess650
To use this bullet the way it is designed it has to be the base
shown on the drawing - a GC would not work.

Thanks
Swede Nelson

[kirb]

put me in for a 2 holer
Kirb

[shawnsmc]

You can put me down for a 4 cavity. Thanks.

[Doc Highwall]

Swede, mine should be a 4 cavity. Doc Highwall

[SwedeNelson]

Sorry doc - got it fixed.

Swede Nelson

[BCall]

I'll take a 4 cavity. Thanks, Billy

[nicholst55]

I'm just waiting for the eagle to fly...

[dromia]

Four cavity for me please. :D

[closey]

I,ll take a two cavity Al.

Cheers,
Closey

[dromia]

Gan on Joe, bite the boolit. :D

[swissham]

Please put me down for a four cavity.

[nicholst55]

Okay, put me down for a 4-cavity mold.

[SwedeNelson]

Bump

Swede Nelson

[Johnny_Cyclone]

I'm in for a 2 cavity mold.

[SwedeNelson]

Bump
Just doing my daily check in.

Swede Nelson

[HARRYMPOPE]

I'm in for a 5 cavity. Is it worth including a top punch for a boolit that is ruined by sizing?

in one of my 30-30 single shots the band must be reduced to .312 or it wont shoot and will leads like the Dickens in the throat @ .315.Best sized nose first with a flat punch. It shot well die seated i the neck a bit also.

HMP

[scb]

Swede. Please change my order to 1, 2 cavity Brass mold. I don't seee this as a high use boolit and want to try the brass out. Thanks

[thehouseproduct]

Anyone else want one?

[Doc Highwall]

Swede, I would like to change from a four cavity aluminum to a two cavity brass plain base with the hole for the NOE casting thermometer now that it is available. Thank You!

[nicholst55]

Swede. Please change my order to 1, 2 cavity Brass mold. I don't seee this as a high use boolit and want to try the brass out. Thanks

That is a good point; I sure won't be shooting these through one of my M1s, so a 4-cavity is probably a bit of excess capacity. I'd like to switch to a 2-cavity brass mold also.

[DWM]

Hi

I need a two cavity

Daniel

[shawnsmc]

That is a good point; I sure won't be shooting these through one of my M1s, so a 4-cavity is probably a bit of excess capacity. I'd like to switch to a 2-cavity brass mold also.

I would like to switch mine to a 2 cavity brass mold too. Look what scb started.

Thanks,
Shawn

[Johnny_Cyclone]

Seems like a good idea..

Swede,

Change mine from the standard 2cav to a Brass 2cav.

Thanks,

[thehouseproduct]

Count me in for the same. Please change my 5 cavity to 2 cavity brass.

[scb]

Swede,
I saw your notice regarding the brass moulds. I'll wait and see if this mold will be run in brass at a later date. Thanks, Steve.

[thehouseproduct]

Swede,
I saw your notice regarding the brass moulds. I'll wait and see if this mold will be run in brass at a later date. Thanks, Steve.

Whaaa?

[scb]

Whaaa?

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=109536

[thehouseproduct]

Alright, I guess I'm back to 5 cavity aluminum.

[nicholst55]

Alrighty then, I guess I need a 2-cavity aluminum mold.

[KennethF]

I want a 4 cavity mold, PB.

KennethF

[SwedeNelson]

Just up-dated the list.
We will not be able to offer brass on this buy.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=109536
Please check and see if we have posted what you want.

Thanks
Swede Nelson

[Doc Highwall]

Swede Nelson, if this was going to be available in a two cavity brass mould that would be my first choice. Because this is only available in aluminum I would like it in a four cavity mould with the hole for the thermometer.

[15bobcat]

I'm in for a 2 cavity PB. Payment sent to Swede via Pay-Pal.

Harold

[barefooter175]

I notice no one is going for a 5 cavity. Is there any reason for avoiding this? Just wonderin...
Would this bullet work in my .30-30 or .30 Herrett Contenders?

James

[rattletrap1970]

I have an original 311403 2 cavity. Is that essentially the same boolit? I haven't tried it in anything yet. I was going to try it in my FN 1951 .30-06 Mauser. These don't get resized right?

[SwedeNelson]

barefooter175
I plan on using it in a 30-30 Contender, will see.

rattletrap1970
Yes and no sizing.

Swede Nelson

[Pat I.]

Could you add me to the list for a 3 cavity.

[12slugger]

Please put me down for a two cavity, thanks Steve

[Pat I.]

Since I'm new to this and haven't been involved in one of these buys before what comes next after there's 15 or 16 guys lined up? Also what are guys on the list opinions about loading this bullet? I have a few ideas and opinions of my own but want to get other's thoughts. Thanks

[12slugger]

I would like a 2 cavity thanks Steve

[25ring]

I would like a 2 cavity also. Thanks,Mike

[SwedeNelson]

up-dated list

Thanks for the orders.
Swede Nelson

[ktw]

I'll sign on for a 2 cavity as well

-ktw

[SwedeNelson]

Do to scheduling problems I need to
close this buy and get it in production.
Will take orders until Saturday noon.
Will start to send out PM's for payment
today and close the buy Saturday.

Thanks
Swede Nelson

[SwedeNelson]

Ken proofed the tool today.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/308403167GrFN.jpg

Looks great and is on the mill.
This should be a very interesting bullet.

Swede Nelson

[Doc Highwall]

Both me and my 30-30 Win are drooling to get this one.

[nicholst55]

I'm looking forward to returning to the States so I can experiment with mine. I'm going to try mine in several different rifles, in .30-30, .30-40, .308, and .30-'06.

Speaking of that, does anyone have any load data for this bullet that they'd care to share? There is at least one thread on the CBA forums about this bullet - kinda long, but very interesting.

[rockrat]

Swede, somehow I missed this one. If you run any extras, I would like a 4 or 5 cav, 5 preferred.

[thehouseproduct]

I'm looking forward to returning to the States so I can experiment with mine. I'm going to try mine in several different rifles, in .30-30, .30-40, .308, and .30-'06.

Speaking of that, does anyone have any load data for this bullet that they'd care to share? There is at least one thread on the CBA forums about this bullet - kinda long, but very interesting.

I want try this in my 300 Whisper. I think the long throat will work nicely.

[SwedeNelson]

Picked up moulds late last night.
Ran the QC and cast with it today.
Weight 171.6Gr. with my WW material
Dimensions right on. Fit the throat of
3 of my 30Cal. rifles like a glove.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/308403167GrFN003.jpg
Pot temp. 660F
Mould temp 353F

Start to box them up and ship them out tomorrow.

Thanks to all that ordered.
Swede Nelson

[Doc Highwall]

I received my mould today Thank You!

[DWM]

Hello

I got the mold and want to cast this week , I know I need to lube and not
size it , but what's the best way to lube it?

Daniel

[SwedeNelson]

DWM

I load a round then dip it in "Rooster Jacket"
http://www.roosterlabs.com/products.html
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/30BR308403.jpg
Dip bullet to case in lube stand up and let dry over night.
Have only started to work up loads. A case full of Trail Boss gives you just about
1150 FPS and shot OK at 100 yards.
Hope to make it to the range again this week.

Swede Nelson

[thehouseproduct]

DWM

I load a round then dip it in "Rooster Jacket"
http://www.roosterlabs.com/products.html
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/30BR308403.jpg
Dip bullet to case in lube stand up and let dry over night.
Have only started to work up loads. A case full of Trail Boss gives you just about
1150 FPS and shot OK at 100 yards.
Hope to make it to the range again this week.

Swede Nelson
What case is that? Where do we start collecting load data? I need some Quickload help for a 300 Whisper.

[DWM]

Thank you Nelson; I'll do a search to find Rooster Lube in Spain or Europe , LLA could be a substitute for it?

[SwedeNelson]

DWM
Liquid Alox should work great.

thehouseproduct
7Gr. of Trail Boss (may not be the best powder for it)
would give you about 1116FPS.
What powder are you thinking of using?
With the bullet just thumb seated I don't think
I would use it in a auto loader.
Have some loaded for my 300 whisper bolt gun.
The loaded rounds in post #60 are 30 Rem. BR.

Just need to get to the range
Swede Nelson

[thehouseproduct]

DWM
Liquid Alox should work great.

thehouseproduct
7Gr. of Trail Boss (may not be the best powder for it)
would give you about 1116FPS.
What powder are you thinking of using?
With the bullet just thumb seated I don't think
I would use it in a auto loader.
Have some loaded for my 300 whisper bolt gun.
The loaded rounds in post #60 are 30 Rem. BR.

Just need to get to the range
Swede Nelson
Al,
I don't have Trailboss. I have Red Dot, Green Dot, WST, 700X, Unique, 2400, H4198, H110, H335, AA#2, and AA#5 plus slower rifle powders.

I have a single shot Savage that I plan on using this in.

My next most important question is on alloy. I realized I have only 6 lbs of straight WW alloy left that is suitable for rifle boolits. I have plenty of 50% WW / 50% Pure Pb. Is that alloy hard enough for this boolit if I water drop it? I have read that this boolit doesn't like high velocity, 1200fps is usually where the accuracy is.

[SwedeNelson]

Shot the 30 Rem. BR 100 yards
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/Target30BR308403.jpg
First one high, next three nice little group .417
Fourth shot opened it up to .79
ACWW 12Gr. Trail Boss 1382 FPS.

thehouseproduct
Going to try a starting load of H4198 12.5Gr. ACWW in the 300 whisper
Quick load shows it at 1240FPS.

Swede Nelson

[thehouseproduct]

Shot the boolit in my 300 Whisper bolt gun this weekend.
http://www.thehousebmx.com/arfcom/Pope.JPG
This was my first attempt at any kind of accuracy from a cast boolit. This was water dropped 50/50 pure lead and wheel weights with tin added. They were pan lubed with paraffin/bees wax/Vaseline. The group shown was at 50 yards from a bench with a bipod. Load was 14.0 grains of H4198 with a CCI41 primer. It measured a touch over 0.900". I know that barely less than 2MOA but I'm OK with it for a first attempt.