round nose in tube magazine

[skeet1]

I have a 311291 mold and I know that it is said that they are safe in tubular magazines. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge with using one of these in the Marlin 336 or Model 94 Winchester? I have a 336 that I would like to try it in since I lack a flat nose bullet mold.

Skeet1

[Shuz]

Yep, I have a 336 and use the 311291 in plain and hp version with no problems. my load is 34g of H-4831.

[XWrench3]

i do not have that mold, but i have shot many round nose bullets out of my marlins, both a 30-30 and a 45-70.

[btroj]

How many round nose j-word bullets are loaded in 30-30 every year?
I have no problem using a 311291 in my 336. Does not scare me at all.

[Good Cheer]

Fixin' to try Lymans 257325 round nose in the 25-35.

[NickSS]

I have used that bullet in both a marlin and a 94 winchester with good accuracy. The only problem I noted was that the nose section of my mold casts a bit large for my 94 Winchester so I engrave some of it with the rifling when I close the lever which takes some squeezing to do. There is not problem in my MG Marlin barrel.

[jlchucker]

How many round nose j-word bullets are loaded in 30-30 every year?
I have no problem using a 311291 in my 336. Does not scare me at all.

How many round-nose J-word bullets? Try every 150 and 170 grain coreloct that Remington has been manufacturing and selling by the boxful for decades. That could go for every 200 gr Coreloct that they make for the 35 Remington as well. Don't know about any other calibers offhand. By the way, the Lyman 204 gr mold 358315, introduced eons ago for the 35 Remington, has dropped countless real roundnosed boolets that have been fired out of Marlin 35 cal leverguns with no problems. That 30 cal 311291 has been around a long time and has been safely fired out of lots and lots of 30-30's.

[btroj]

And that JL is exactly why I don't mind using a round nose in a lever action.
This idea that only flat noses are safe is BS. Years of eerience by countless thousands of hunters proves it.

[Larry Gibson]

311291 is the original GC'd bullet sdesigned for the 30-30, probably a hundred or so years ago. Who knows how many of them have been fired through M94s and Marlins. Interesting to know that original 30-30 ammo was, and still is, loaded with EN bullets. I shot a lot of RN FMJs from a couple M94s while a LEO some years back. I also have shot a lot of 311291s through many different M94s and M336s over the last 40 years. Never a problem.

Larry Gibson

[rintinglen]

I have shot hundreds, maybe thousands, of these out of three different winchesters. I find the 311=291 to be one of the better choices for the 30-30, especially if you have a post 64 gun. I have used 34 grains of WW 748 extensively, but the better accuracy afforded at lower cost made 17 grains of 2400 a favorite plinking and "everything-but-rams" silhouette load. These days I use a 311-041 more, but only because I have a four cavity Ideal mold that works very well.

[1Shirt]

Just makes me wonder why this subject keeps coming up. Can understand it maybe with young casters, and newbees to this forum, but seems like it comes up every six months or so. Makes me wonder why some folks don't use the search capacity of this great web, and type in the subject.
1Shirt!:coffee:

[Omnivore]

Just makes me wonder why this subject keeps coming up.

I was going to ask it myself, but found this thread instead. The reason is; the loading manuals I have tell us to NEVER, ever, ever....EVER use anything but flatpoints in a tubular magazine. They list no loads in the Speer manual for anything but flatpoints or wide HP in .30-30, even though there are pistols and bolt rifles in that caliber.

Please forgive us, as we're being told one thing emphatically, and then another.

It seems if you want to load for the old cast RN, you must belong to a secret society like this one, free of lawyers, insurance companies and accountants (who no doubt would love to be running the world - into a standstill).

For that matter, I've considered using spitzers in my Win '94 and just loading two in the gun - one in the chamber and one in the mag. I've only used a follow-up shot once while hunting, and didn't really need it even then. Big deal, but since it's a 16" carbine with open sights only, I figure the higher BC isn't important as I'm not lobbing shots into the hinterlands with it anyway.

All that being said; I've been told the 311291 is great and that the 311041 is great. I'm going to get one or the other and start casting for this cartridge for the first time. I seem to be getting more positive feedback about the '291. Is that the bees knees then?

[Four Fingers of Death]

I find the 311=291 to be one of the better choices for the 30-30, especially if you have a post 64 gun.

Thats interesting, I have a 311291 mould and a pre 64 Winchester 94, but haven't tried it yet, still burning up ammo that I loaded with some commercial cast stuff I bought a few years ago.

What did your pre 64s prefer?

[rintinglen]

For the record, I have only four 30-30 winchesters now, 3 post 64 commemoratives, and "Shorty," my 1953 Carbine that does'nt chamber the 311-291 unless you really pull on the lever. The nose pre-engraves like crazy. I get frequent 2 inch Iron Sight groups from it at 100 yards with the 311-465 or the 311-466 over 17.5 grains of 2400, and it does fine with 311-041 loaded up to 2100 FPS using 29 grains of 3031. However, the 311-291 all but wedges into the rifling. Heaven forfend if I should have to jack a round out without firing--I'd likely end up with the ball stuck in the bore. I had similar results with a 1956 gun, in so far as the 311-291 nose was jamming into the rifling.
However, I will just about guarantee that there are plenty of old guns out there willing to make a liar out of me. People have been using the 311-291 in 30-30s for something over a hundred years, and they can't all have been using marlins.
I have had the best results with 311-291 in my Win. 1895 30-40. I am hankering to take it hunting next year. It shoots as well as the J-balls at 2300 feet per second over 39 grains of WW-748 and with minimal leading.

[Four Fingers of Death]

For the record, I have only four 30-30 winchesters now, 3 post 64 commemoratives, and "Shorty," my 1953 Carbine that does'nt chamber the 311-291 unless you really pull on the lever. The nose pre-engraves like crazy. I get frequent 2 inch Iron Sight groups from it at 100 yards with the 311-465 or the 311-466 over 17.5 grains of 2400, and it does fine with 311-041 loaded up to 2100 FPS using 29 grains of 3031. However, the 311-291 all but wedges into the rifling. Heaven forfend if I should have to jack a round out without firing--I'd likely end up with the ball stuck in the bore. I had similar results with a 1956 gun, in so far as the 311-291 nose was jamming into the rifling.
However, I will just about guarantee that there are plenty of old guns out there willing to make a liar out of me. People have been using the 311-291 in 30-30s for something over a hundred years, and they can't all have been using marlins.
I have had the best results with 311-291 in my Win. 1895 30-40. I am hankering to take it hunting next year. It shoots as well as the J-balls at 2300 feet per second over 39 grains of WW-748 and with minimal leading.

I'll have to watch that then. I have a few cast up somewhere, I'll dig them out when the dust settles over the holiday period and see how they go. I suppose you could open up the throat a tad, but if the other moulds work, why bother?