Taming the Bugger 9mm

[RydForLyf]

For the last 15 years, I’ve had great success casting for my G35 and shooting COWW with 20% lino. I lubed them with the Star luber and life was good. I tried and repeatedly failed doing the same for my wife’s G17. I’ve read and understand 9mm can be a bugger and have gotten to the point of crying uncle.

I’m ready to scrap everything I do for 9mm and simply copy/steal from your success. So, I’m asking for your secret, from alloy, mold, lube, powder, load, everything. I figure this will be a quicker end to the madness of trying more of the same, expecting different results.

Thanks in advance.

[geslayton]

Maybe I just got lucky, but, I've ran around 1,000 powder coated Lee 120 grain TC out of a 6 cavity mold and coated with smokes Carolina blue and sized to .356 without a single hiccup. Shooting them out of a Glock 45 9mm.

My lead has been a hodgepodge of scrap lead, probably running on the soft side, I do water drop out of the mold and again after coating. I'm very new to casting, but what I'm doing seems to be working for my needs.

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[onelight]

What are you loads doing in the 17 ?

[RydForLyf]

Maybe I just got lucky, but, I've ran around 1,000 powder coated Lee 120 grain TC out of a 6 cavity mold and coated with smokes Carolina blue and sized to .356 without a single hiccup. Shooting them out of a Glock 45 9mm.

My lead has been a hodgepodge of scrap lead, probably running on the soft side, I do water drop out of the mold and again after coating. I'm very new to casting, but what I'm doing seems to be working for my needs.

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It is the same Lee mold I had trouble with. My lead is harder and that may be a good part of the problem. Good luck on your journey.

[RydForLyf]

What are you loads doing in the 17 ?

Leading the barrel with just a few shots.

Bullets are Sized with .357 die and measure .358. Pulled bullets still measure .3575/.358. They fit tight in the throat. My lead is COWW with 20% Linotype, so BHN measured about 12. I have a bunch of stick-on wheel weights, so that will be a lot softer and will be my next experiment.

[nicholst55]

Have you read two sticky posts in the Wheelguns, Pistols and Handcannons subforum - one on Glocks and cast boolits, and the other on Setting up for cast in a new 9mm? There's a lot of information in both threads that might prove useful.

[RydForLyf]

For the last 15 years, I’ve had great success casting for my G35 and shooting COWW with 20% lino. I lubed them with the Star luber and life was good. I tried and repeatedly failed doing the same for my wife’s G17. I’ve read and understand 9mm can be a bugger and have gotten to the point of crying uncle.

I’m ready to scrap everything I do for 9mm and simply copy/steal from your success. So, I’m asking for your secret, from alloy, mold, lube, powder, load, everything. I figure this will be a quicker end to the madness of trying more of the same, expecting different results.

Thanks in advance.

Have you read two sticky posts in the Wheelguns, Pistols and Handcannons subforum - one on Glocks and cast boolits, and the other on Setting up for cast in a new 9mm? There's a lot of information in both threads that might prove useful.

No I haven’t. Thanks!

[crackers]

The fastest powders can be a headache. Unique/BE-86ish can help.

[RydForLyf]

The fastest powders can be a headache. Unique/BE-86ish can help.

Right now it’s 3.5 Clays. I’ll try slower.

Thanks

[sigep1764]

Thats some pretty hard lead you got there. Its my thought you don't need lead that hard. I get by with ww water dropped sized 358 with Lyman Orange Magic on top of 2.8 grains of Red Dot. This with the Elco boolit from NOE.

[ioon44]

I run a 130 gr fp nlg at around 14 BHN and Hi-Tek coated, my barrel slugs at .357" so I am loading .359" bullets and shooting them out of a Walther PPQ SF , I have been using 700 X and Sport Pistol both powders are loaded to around 1025 fps, I have not had any leading with this combo.

I know the Walther polygonal rifling is different than the Glock which is not a true polygonal.

[gwpercle]

Boolit : NOE 358-124-TC-GC , sized .357, Lithi-Bee lubricant , alloy 50-50 COWW / soft scrap lead .
The gas check is the secrete . Mainly it Helps when seating the boolit but also helps with leading at velocities @ 1000 fps with softish alloy . The soft boolit will mushroom on impact .

Powder Charge :
5.0 grains Unique @ 1125 fps - my pet load
5.0 grains HP38 @1135 fps
4.2 grains Red Dot @ 1083
4.2 grains Bullseye @ 1067

Standard taper crimp , seat boolit to pass plunk test .
Gary

[Burnt Fingers]

I'm pretty much using two boolits. A Saeco 115 and a MP 359-125 RNFP. Both are sized to .357 and coated with Hi-Tek.

Between my buddy and I we go through around 500-800 of these a week. We're using a variety of 9mm firearms.

Canik TP9SFX
RIA 1911
PSA AR Pistol
a couple different Glocks
Sig P365
S&W 5906
Ruger PCC

That's off the top of my head.

We're loading both boolits with 4 gr of WST right now. We're not having any leading problems at all.

[fredj338]

I do fine in all my 9mm with range scrap & 10% lino with conventional lubes, sized 0.357" in any 9mm. With PC I can go range scrap & 0.356" water dropped out of the PC oven. YMMV.

[RydForLyf]

Thanks to everyone for your info. I’ll do more testing this weekend but if anyone is interested in selling 50-100 of your ready to load bullets, I’d gladly reimburse you so I can try what you’re having success with.

Thanks!

[onelight]

The buddy's i shoot with that shoot Glocks buy .356 Hi-tek coated I have a couple of guns with the same style rifling as Glocks in 9 and 45 and shoot Hi-tek none of us get any leading . PC or Hi-tek seem to be much more forgiving than traditionally lubed bullets in many guns . I think I may try to PC my own cast if I ever get my building in back done.
Maybe someone here that does not use PC bullets in their Glocks will have an answer for you.

[RydForLyf]

The buddy's i shoot with that shoot Glocks buy .356 Hi-tek coated I have a couple of guns with the same style rifling as Glocks in 9 and 45 and shoot Hi-tek none of us get any leading . PC or Hi-tek seem to be much more forgiving than traditionally lubed bullets in many guns . I think I may try to PC my own cast if I ever get my building in back done.
Maybe someone here that does not use PC bullets in their Glocks will have an answer for you.

I’ve got 500 (5 x 100) hi-tek coated bullets, in different weights, arriving tomorrow from Bayou Bullets. Hopefully I’ll learn something good from them.

[onelight]

I’ve got 500 (5 x 100) hi-tek coated bullets, in different weights, arriving tomorrow from Bayou Bullets. Hopefully I’ll learn something good from them.

Good luck with them .
On the home page of SNS casting he talks a little about fast burning powders and Hi-tek .
In mine I use both red dot and be86 the guys I shoot with only BE-86 .But I have used a variety of powders that worked .

[kevin c]

Accurate and MP 147 bevel based cast of 95-3-2, two coats of HiTek, both with and without lube groove, loaded over 3.2 to 3.4 VV N320 to ~1.125", SPP. The rounds average 900 fps, and have never leaded my G34 factory barrels in the ~20,000 rounds I've fired.

[reloader28]

My mold is the Lee 125RF.
I'm using straight air cooled clip on WW at 15-16 BHN.
50/50 Alox/Beeswax and then 10% parafin wax and sized .358 and Bullseye powder.
But I think the best thing that makes 9mm easy is plain base gas checks. I had fits with a couple 9mms until these. Now we're using cast in about 10 different brands with no problems whatsoever. I think Sage Reloading sells them.

Nope I was wrong. Its Sages Outdoors