Gas Checks hobby/small buisness.

[zuke]

Could you send me a P.M. when you get into making 45 check's?

[Colt .45]

zuke, If i remember then I will do that. I plan on grabbing the next .45 freechex that comes up on ebay, but I want to get the .44 and .22 up and running first.

Were you looking for .45 pistol, .45 rifle, or .45 universal?

[zuke]

.45 rifle, for my Marlin 1895.
I didn't realize there was a difference in check size's,I use a LEE tumble lube design for my.45 winmag.

[Colt .45]

ok, well .45 is next on my list, however the only die semi readily available is a .45 universal which i believe is .454 as opposed to .452 pistol or .458 rifle.

[Colt .45]

to all of those who voted for .44 and .22 they arrived. Will be making lots of stock tomorrow. ( Sadly currently still only in .010- .011 alum)


To everyone who has voted so far if you read this can you please say which of the following three metals you would buy gas checks in (or all). Also if you could rate them in order or which you would like best to least.

Aluminum , Brass , Copper.

[hoosierlogger]

to all of those who voted for .44 and .22 they arrived. Will be making lots of stock tomorrow.


which of the following three metals you would buy gas checks in (or all).

Aluminum , Brass , Copper.

Ha HA Colt .45 I told you I knew you had posted the lead time some where. I read the PM's before I read the forums.

I would guess you will sell mostly what is the cheapest.

[Colt .45]

Not necessarily, some people fret about aluminum filings or fouling in their barrel and think it will be much worse then copper fouling. Its a 'to each their own' situation where I might be best off getting some of the more popular metals...

[Colt .45]

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[pistolman44]

I would interested in 44 if they were made out of copper.

[Colt .45]

I would interested in 44 if they were made out of copper.

I am still trying to source copper, I have access to .021" copper, however it is soft and apparently soft copper craps up the dies.

[hk33ka1]

Glad to see a Canadian Check maker, if we can just get you swaging bullets now.

On the topic of cross border shipping, US rules in the last few years have changed and with few exceptions you cannot export (shipping or in person) guns, gun parts, ammo and ammo parts (primers, bullets, brass) and various other goodies like certain body armor, scopes, night vision without a US export permit from the US Dept of State.

Many people do this still like they have for years, they just have not been stopped by US officials while leaving, and yes they do check you on the way out sometimes. Some people have been caught and charged going to Canada and Mexico with ammo.


If your stuff gets to Canada then you deal with CBSA (Canada Customs) who will let this stuff in if you are allowed to have it, but the key is it isnt supposed to leave the US in the first place without permits. If you get caught by the US driving out with it, or as the shipper sending it you can be in some big trouble. In Canada some of this is explained on the RCMPs website as a warning, and some of it is on the ATFs site in the US, likely also the Dept of State. There are companies that specialize in these exports from the US as it likely is not worth it for a person to get a permit just to buy a part or bag of brass. Certain gun parts made and sold by certain companies can be exported (only buy said company) when the order is under $100 US. Brownells for example could sell a Canadian a $40 spring for example and mail it without a permit. But you couldnt legally drive out of the US with it yourself.
One of the other exemptions is when you are hunting or at a sanctioned shooting event with licenses you can take the guns and leftover ammo you brough back home to Canada or where ever.

Most Americans don't know about this because they don't usually export their guns and ammo, and most Canadians that shop US don't exactly declare to US Customs that they are shopping for gun stuff on the way in, and don't talk to US Customs on the way out.

Also it seems the US will not allow 5.56, 7.62 chambered guns or ammo be exported for civilian use, and I believe same with .50BMG. We still get lots of US 308 or 223 guns and ammo just fine though.

[zuke]

Glad to see a Canadian Check maker, if we can just get you swaging bullets now.

On the topic of cross border shipping, US rules in the last few years have changed and with few exceptions you cannot export (shipping or in person) guns, gun parts, ammo and ammo parts (primers, bullets, brass) and various other goodies like certain body armor, scopes, night vision without a US export permit from the US Dept of State.

Many people do this still like they have for years, they just have not been stopped by US officials while leaving, and yes they do check you on the way out sometimes. Some people have been caught and charged going to Canada and Mexico with ammo.


If your stuff gets to Canada then you deal with CBSA (Canada Customs) who will let this stuff in if you are allowed to have it, but the key is it isnt supposed to leave the US in the first place without permits. If you get caught by the US driving out with it, or as the shipper sending it you can be in some big trouble. In Canada some of this is explained on the RCMPs website as a warning, and some of it is on the ATFs site in the US, likely also the Dept of State. There are companies that specialize in these exports from the US as it likely is not worth it for a person to get a permit just to buy a part or bag of brass. Certain gun parts made and sold by certain companies can be exported (only buy said company) when the order is under $100 US. Brownells for example could sell a Canadian a $40 spring for example and mail it without a permit. But you couldnt legally drive out of the US with it yourself.
One of the other exemptions is when you are hunting or at a sanctioned shooting event with licenses you can take the guns and leftover ammo you brough back home to Canada or where ever.

Most Americans don't know about this because they don't usually export their guns and ammo, and most Canadians that shop US don't exactly declare to US Customs that they are shopping for gun stuff on the way in, and don't talk to US Customs on the way out.

Also it seems the US will not allow 5.56, 7.62 chambered guns or ammo be exported for civilian use, and I believe same with .50BMG. We still get lots of US 308 or 223 guns and ammo just fine though.

[Colt .45]

hk33ka1.

Good read. I'll do the bullet swaging if I ever get around to making enough money on the gas checks. (right now gas checks are on hold till i can get thicker metals, .010" seems to have balls for accuracy in .30 cal).

I actually did exactly what you said there. Went down to grand forks and came back with over 2000 rnds of .22, and a few hundred of other stuff, plus 7 lbs of powder. The guy at the canadian border side says " you know its illegal to purchase ammo in the states if your not a US Citizen" , " uhh no, I guess that's the last time I will be doing that.."

[hk33ka1]

Another Canadian member PM'ed me about this post and was upset that I spilled the beans on the current US exporting issues, but it is only fair that people have a heads up and get a chance to look into the legalities of their actions a little more. People are free to do as they wish. I didn't write the law nor do I enforce or agree with it, however I don't want to see anyone fined or charged because they didn't know any better.

[zuke]

Can I ask why the need for a thicker material?
I you had a thicker/wider shaft on the cupping die and opened up the forming die wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?

[Colt .45]

People have posted accuracy results with thicker materials ( .014 vs .010) and It's usually better ( for .30 cal ). Also for larger calibers, or fat .30's the space you are trying to seal mandates a thicker check.

IE a .44 shank is .397, if you size to .430 then you have .033 to fill with gas check. Meaning your material should be .033/2 = .0165 ( how handy that amerimax has .0167)

for a fat .30, if your shank is about .285 and you want to size to your worn out enfield .316. Then you have .031 to fill which is .0155.

Other then larger calibers or fat .30's Some people have been having problems getting the .010 .30 cal stuff to stick on a .309" size. It's been a bit of a headache for me and I've decided to compensate all of them with some free new ones in a thicker material. So if I introduce 3 thicknesses of metal and a sample pack containing all thicknesses, then people should have a cheap ( and pain free ) way to find which sticks on and shoots best.

[Rickk]

My 30 cal checks look very nice but fall off of both all of my GC boolits (two Lee and one Ranch Dog/lee) designs. I assume because they are not thick enough to fill the space once run through the sizer.
Seems I have heard of using super glue to hold them on? But if the accuracy goes south why bother?
I am wondering if they would fit on non-GC designs, perhaps by flaring them a bit?

[Colt .45]

Alright small status update here for everyone.


After a long wait I now have Amerimax .014" and .0167" alum flashing. In the down time I've also acquired a .454&.458 fx3 from charly. I had a few people with sizing problems with the .010" GC's so I am making some replacements and shipping them out now. Sales will be back up this weekend or next.


Thankyou for your patience!

[Ben]

Rickk

How thick is your metal. I've had no luck with my 30 - 06 until I went to .014 , then everything came together ! !

Ben

[Colt .45]

yepp the accuracy improvement was one reason why I've been trying to get thicker materials, the falling off part was the second. Rickk is on my list for some extra GC's, either .014" or .017".