Accuracy of non Keith designed bullets in 260 to 300 gr.

[Themoose]

Ward O,

Yes, there is a difference in preferences...I'm not shooting the WFN, but the LFN... the Remington 788's top load so far is 23.8 Gr. of H110... Ruger 77's top performer is 22.6 Gr. H110, closely followed by 23.2 gr. H110... I test in 0.2 gr increments and have noticed a large difference in both group sizes and points of impact with this small of a change... I use different brass for each rifle... I use R-P for the Remington, and Starline Nickel plated for the Ruger so that I can keep the two loads separate... there is a difference in case capacity... Out of curiosity I tried the top load for each rifle in the other and did not get acceptable performance. Hope this helps..

TheMoose

[felix]

Moose, try a different powder speed. A primer change with the same powder. Objective would be to get the best AVERAGE accuracy from the two guns. The assumption is these two guns are play guns (hunting guns), and not for competition. ... felix

[WARD O]

TheMoose
Have you ever tried the Federal 150 non mag primer - from what I've seen it is the primer Federal Cartridge uses in all of their 44 magnum premium hunting ammunition. It might be worth a try.

Ward

[Changeling]

First off, Rob I'm sincerely sorry for mixing your great comment with Blammers. I assure you it was just a mistake on my part!

There was some good information as usual from many of you, I need to think about things said here and possibly look at things from a different perspective. Hell I might even just design my own bullet for the 45LC, if I can't come up with what I want. I'm sure there are a couple who will think this hilarious, but I have been giving it some thought for a couple of weeks now.

44Man thanks for your input, that is one beautiful ML rifle.

[44man]

Themoose
Are you finding much variation between rifle reguarding favorite powder charge? I have been trying to get some of those 280 gr LBT WFN shooting in a Marlin and have been achieving marginal success.

Ward

Don't expect much from the Marlin, stupid, way out of range, idiotic, 1 in 38" twist. That rifle should be 1 in 20" and at the very most, 1 in 25". I wonder what 1 in 18" would do?

[RobS]

Changeling: My intent wasn't to come down on you, but rather a post to reiterate what I had posted earlier. I feel where you are coming from as I have played with different bullet designs along with different weights and with different alloy hardness and/or alloy content. Additionally there are the primers, powders, crimp dies, expander dies, different bullet diameters and so forth until a person goes half mad. I can see where if you don't have a big wad of cash floating around, that you would rather prefer to head this beast off at the pass and get yourself a mold that will have the best chances of working for your intended application. No harm in that, no harm at all.

[MT Gianni]

To the best of my knowledge the heaviest boolit Keiith designed was the 250 gr 454424.

[healey55]

On the 280 LFN for the 44.. What is the nose length from crimp grove to flat? What is the overall length?

[healey55]

Ooops.. I meant to say what is the nose length from crimp grove to flat on the LBT 250 LFN.

If I understand the catalouge right it is somewhere between 0.35-0.40?

[Thumbcocker]

Rifle porn from .44man. Will wonders never cease. Them is some purty long guns.

[Themoose]

Ward O and Felix,

I haven't tried to change any of the components until I had a measure of success tweaking the other variables.. I do inend to try Federal primers, actually that is all that I used to use until I got a super deal on 5M Winchester primers... as far as they are "play" guns used for hunting... that is correct to a point.. any who know me that I take my deer hunting very seriously... I work on my equipment all year long and am always experiementing to try to get it to be the best that I can have(within my financial means)... (I also cast my own sabot slugs and build my own arrows)...

Felix, I'm not sure that I completely understand your point entirely, but I would prefer not to compromise with the accuracy potential of each rifle... one has a short carbine barrel and the other a full length tube...I'm not worried at this point about mixing ammo for them if I keep to my initial plan on using nickel plated for the stainless rifle and regular brass for the blued one.

I threw myself a curveball this weekend... just after I shot my best group with the 788... I had a couple of rounds hang up in the clip due to the length and on the next reloading session I adjusted the seating stem ever so slightly... I completely forgot about it until I went back on paper @ 100yds... my super load was all of a sudden super bad!... went back to my previous method of working up loads by increasing powder in 0.2gr increments... found that lower charge(0.3gr less) grouped the best... chronograph captured 4 of the 5 shots for avg of 1769 fps.. with extreme spread of 20 fps...

Next step will be to try Fed 155 and 150 Primers...

Thanks for your advice fellas.

TheMoose