It's official -- Swartzenegger bans WW in Ca. Effective Jan.1 - Page 3

dualsport · 11-03-2009, 11:37 PM

Californians!! This is OUR home. Don't bail out Fight! We owe it to ourselves and our kids. PLEASE!! Consider joining the California Rifle and Pistol Association. For pennies a day you will have a full time lobbyist in Sacramento. The CRPA works hard for our rights at all levels, including successfully fighting the lead ban extension to the whole state by the Fish and Game Commission (Not the DFG, they are actually on our side) Join up, it feels good, you get a great magazine, and it qualifies for the CMP Garand purchase requirements.

airmung · 11-04-2009, 11:17 AM

Wheel weights are a good casting alloy, but there is more than one way to skin a cat!
Range backstop lead is plentiful. What better thing to make boolits from than old boolits? Old cast boolits make great new ones and are usually a good alloy. Jacketed bullet lead is soft and can be used for alloying linotype or other hard mixtures, or for making cores for swaging. I have picked up several 5-gallon buckets of the stuff. Take a shovel and a sieve/screen and you can gather a lot of lead in little time. Throw it in a rotary tumbler with tap water and in no time it will come out dirt-free.
Go to the nearest airport and ask for the battery caps from old batteries. Each cap has a nearly pure lead weight inside (used to block off the cell vent during unusual attitudes in flight, and to help prevent spills if the battery is tipped over). The battery posts and cell interconnect straps are a much harder alloy, if you want to tear the battery apart. Ditto for automotive batteries. BTW, aircraft battery electrolyte is a higher concentration than automotive, with a specific gravity 1.285 rather than 1.265, so it has more sulphuric acid (handy for all sorts of things for the chemist-types out there).
Aircraft wheels are balanced mostly using dead soft tape weights, again, good for swaging, once you get all that nasty old adhesive off.
There are commercial sources too, if it ever gets to the point where we have to actually buy the stuff. Check McMaster-Carr and other industrial supply places. Corn cob and walnut shell
are a lot cheaper at these places too, especially in 50-lb bags.
There are many sources of lead to be found, just maybe not as convenient as WWs. Be creative!

truckmsl · 11-04-2009, 12:28 PM

Looks like it's getting to be time to come up with some creative ideas on portable bullet traps.

fredj338 · 11-04-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by airmung

Wheel weights are a good casting alloy, but there is more than one way to skin a cat!
Range backstop lead is plentiful. What better thing to make boolits from than old boolits? Old cast boolits make great new ones and are usually a good alloy. Jacketed bullet lead is soft and can be used for alloying linotype or other hard mixtures, or for making cores for swaging. I have picked up several 5-gallon buckets of the stuff. Take a shovel and a sieve/screen and you can gather a lot of lead in little time. Throw it in a rotary tumbler with tap water and in no time it will come out dirt-free.
WWs. Be creative!

Except we all don't have access to the backstop or berm. I shoot at a private rnge most of the time & careful mining of the berm can be done at the end of the day. I've pulled about 150# right off the top in 20min of shoveling. Some time soon I am going to get serious & go down about 12" & take 400-500# out.

JSnover · 11-04-2009, 02:36 PM

Personally, I don't really care. Getting ww in my neighborhood is like pulling teeth most days. There are other sources of lead.

"It aint what it was but it'll do."

extremepyro · 11-04-2009, 06:30 PM

Wish he would have stayed on mars

1917 · 11-04-2009, 08:32 PM

Looks like good time to get into casting. Reading the FAQ and just overwhelmed with info. But picked up on the WW banning. A two day hunt around here found shops that are keeping all WW, others have agreements to sell them to a battery manufacturer, Walmart going to steel WW. Some would sell WW. Paid 35 cents pound, another $20 for 5 gal bucket full. Few gave it away. Spent $90 all together for 3 5 gal and 1 6 gal bucket full.

Now forgive me if wrong thread but can someone tell me on the group buy for 44 mould lists the dia .432. Can this get sized down to .429 or .430 when swaging? thanks

HORNET · 11-05-2009, 06:29 AM

1917, That .432 should size down to .429 or .430 very well. Make sure that you actually need to go that small first. Many times .431 works better, check the cylinder throats and/or slug the barrel. We now resume our regular program already in process.......

TAWILDCATT · 11-05-2009, 08:32 AM

did you know the NRA had a study made of lead in the enviorment and the conclusion was there was no contamination the bullets did not leach lead.
may be some should get lawyers and sue the state for fraud.who knows it might be just the thing.
going to be a way to put another business in the dump.

fredj338 · 11-05-2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAWILDCATT

did you know the NRA had a study made of lead in the enviorment and the conclusion was there was no contamination the bullets did not leach lead.
may be some should get lawyers and sue the state for fraud.who knows it might be just the thing.
going to be a way to put another business in the dump.

As always, follw the money. Dig deep enough, you'll find the bill writers probably have a financial equity in lead free products. much Like Al Gore & his global frickin warming, he's making millions promoting bogus science. Besides, Kalifornia doesn't have much water to contaminate anyway.

lawboy · 11-05-2009, 12:53 PM

Lead wheelweights! You guys still casting with that stuff?!

I get all the range lead out of the bullet trap at the indoor range I want.
Just dump it into the pot, clean out the crud, flux, cast ingots, done.
I must cast up 500-800 lbs of ingots every year no problem and could do 5000-8000lbs if I wanted to. I shoot it as is in everything without a single complaint in at least 4000lbs worth of bullets! Go find yourself an indoor range! Cheers!

fredj338 · 11-05-2009, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawboy

Lead wheelweights! You guys still casting with that stuff?!

I get all the range lead out of the bullet trap at the indoor range I want.
Just dump it into the pot, clean out the crud, flux, cast ingots, done.
I must cast up 500-800 lbs of ingots every year no problem and could do 5000-8000lbs if I wanted to. I shoot it as is in everything without a single complaint in at least 4000lbs worth of bullets! Go find yourself an indoor range! Cheers!

Many of the indoor ranges have contracts for removal. In many states, Kalif being one, there are certain methods that have to be used. Besides, there are 100s of tire shops & maybe one indoor range in any given area. You are fortunate to have that connection.

Mugs · 11-05-2009, 03:42 PM

All you boolit casters over in california gather up those ww before they come and take them away from you. We'll rent a truck and come bring them to Arizona where they'll get a good home.
Mugs
IHMSA 5940L

fredj338 · 11-05-2009, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugs

All you boolit casters over in california gather up those ww before they come and take them away from you. We'll rent a truck and come bring them to Arizona where they'll get a good home.
Mugs
IHMSA 5940L

Hey mugs, I was thinking of coming over there & loading a truck up w/ ww. Figure I could sell them to casters here after the ban.

JIMinPHX · 11-05-2009, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truckmsl

Looks like it's getting to be time to come up with some creative ideas on portable bullet traps.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=26627

TDC · 11-05-2009, 08:31 PM

Not to in any way diminish Swartzenegger's responsibility for signing the bill, but the legislature in California had to write the bill and submit it to him for signature. All the legislative enities in CA share equally in this fraud.

Any people who still support the kind of radical leftist government California now has are seeing first hand what regulation and control really means to the little guy. It's all about control and power, folks, not reality and common sense...

We'll all get an early taste of what this California lead regulation will mean to the rest of the country when the pending Federal law is imposed on the whole country at a later date..

I'm going to predict new regulations and controls are going to be placed soon on other lead sources like plumbing supply businesses. The regulators never stop once they get their foot in the door... JMHO....

mtnman31 · 11-05-2009, 09:09 PM

If you want lead, just take the Chinese made toys out of your kid's toy box and melt them down...

jack19512 · 11-06-2009, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtnman31

If you want lead, just take the Chinese made toys out of your kid's toy box and melt them down...

Isn't that the truth!

TDC · 11-07-2009, 03:06 PM

Last info run.... TTT

11-04-2009, 12:28 PM	#43
truckmsl Boolit Man Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 136	Looks like it's getting to be time to come up with some creative ideas on portable bullet traps. __________________ If I'm shootin', I'm grinnin'

11-04-2009, 06:30 PM	#46
extremepyro Boolit Mold Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: south central pa Posts: 6	mars Wish he would have stayed on mars

11-05-2009, 06:29 AM	#48
HORNET Boolit Master Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South of Vandalia, Michigan Posts: 755	1917, That .432 should size down to .429 or .430 very well. Make sure that you actually need to go that small first. Many times .431 works better, check the cylinder throats and/or slug the barrel. We now resume our regular program already in process....... __________________ Rick ____________________________ If it looks plumbous, I'll probably try making bullets out of it. Dean Grennell

11-05-2009, 08:32 AM	#49
TAWILDCATT Boolit Master Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: MANNING SC Posts: 1,424	lead did you know the NRA had a study made of lead in the enviorment and the conclusion was there was no contamination the bullets did not leach lead. may be some should get lawyers and sue the state for fraud.who knows it might be just the thing. going to be a way to put another business in the dump. __________________ WILDCATT

11-05-2009, 03:42 PM	#53
Mugs Boolit Master Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: prescott valley az. Posts: 153	All you boolit casters over in california gather up those ww before they come and take them away from you. We'll rent a truck and come bring them to Arizona where they'll get a good home. Mugs IHMSA 5940L __________________ Shoot only Cast Bullets!

11-03-2009, 11:37 PM	#41
dualsport Boolit Man Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sacto., Ca. Posts: 121	Californians!! This is OUR home. Don't bail out Fight! We owe it to ourselves and our kids. PLEASE!! Consider joining the California Rifle and Pistol Association. For pennies a day you will have a full time lobbyist in Sacramento. The CRPA works hard for our rights at all levels, including successfully fighting the lead ban extension to the whole state by the Fish and Game Commission (Not the DFG, they are actually on our side) Join up, it feels good, you get a great magazine, and it qualifies for the CMP Garand purchase requirements.

11-04-2009, 11:17 AM	#42
airmung Boolit Mold Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon high desert Posts: 2	Wheel weights are a good casting alloy, but there is more than one way to skin a cat! Range backstop lead is plentiful. What better thing to make boolits from than old boolits? Old cast boolits make great new ones and are usually a good alloy. Jacketed bullet lead is soft and can be used for alloying linotype or other hard mixtures, or for making cores for swaging. I have picked up several 5-gallon buckets of the stuff. Take a shovel and a sieve/screen and you can gather a lot of lead in little time. Throw it in a rotary tumbler with tap water and in no time it will come out dirt-free. Go to the nearest airport and ask for the battery caps from old batteries. Each cap has a nearly pure lead weight inside (used to block off the cell vent during unusual attitudes in flight, and to help prevent spills if the battery is tipped over). The battery posts and cell interconnect straps are a much harder alloy, if you want to tear the battery apart. Ditto for automotive batteries. BTW, aircraft battery electrolyte is a higher concentration than automotive, with a specific gravity 1.285 rather than 1.265, so it has more sulphuric acid (handy for all sorts of things for the chemist-types out there). Aircraft wheels are balanced mostly using dead soft tape weights, again, good for swaging, once you get all that nasty old adhesive off. There are commercial sources too, if it ever gets to the point where we have to actually buy the stuff. Check McMaster-Carr and other industrial supply places. Corn cob and walnut shell are a lot cheaper at these places too, especially in 50-lb bags. There are many sources of lead to be found, just maybe not as convenient as WWs. Be creative!

11-04-2009, 02:36 PM	#45
JSnover Boolit Master Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,112	Personally, I don't really care. Getting ww in my neighborhood is like pulling teeth most days. There are other sources of lead. "It aint what it was but it'll do."

11-04-2009, 08:32 PM	#47
1917 Boolit Mold Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 13	Looks like good time to get into casting. Reading the FAQ and just overwhelmed with info. But picked up on the WW banning. A two day hunt around here found shops that are keeping all WW, others have agreements to sell them to a battery manufacturer, Walmart going to steel WW. Some would sell WW. Paid 35 cents pound, another $20 for 5 gal bucket full. Few gave it away. Spent $90 all together for 3 5 gal and 1 6 gal bucket full. Now forgive me if wrong thread but can someone tell me on the group buy for 44 mould lists the dia .432. Can this get sized down to .429 or .430 when swaging? thanks

11-05-2009, 12:53 PM	#51
lawboy Boolit Master Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 158	Lead wheelweights! You guys still casting with that stuff?! I get all the range lead out of the bullet trap at the indoor range I want. Just dump it into the pot, clean out the crud, flux, cast ingots, done. I must cast up 500-800 lbs of ingots every year no problem and could do 5000-8000lbs if I wanted to. I shoot it as is in everything without a single complaint in at least 4000lbs worth of bullets! Go find yourself an indoor range! Cheers!

11-05-2009, 08:31 PM	#56
TDC Boolit Master Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 292	Not to in any way diminish Swartzenegger's responsibility for signing the bill, but the legislature in California had to write the bill and submit it to him for signature. *All* the legislative enities in CA share equally in this fraud. Any people who still support the kind of radical leftist government California now has are seeing first hand what regulation and control really means to the little guy. It's all about control and power, folks, not reality and common sense... We'll all get an early taste of what this California lead regulation will mean to the rest of the country when the pending Federal law is imposed on the whole country at a later date.. I'm going to predict new regulations and controls are going to be placed soon on other lead sources like plumbing supply businesses. The regulators never stop once they get their foot in the door... JMHO.... __________________ "Hindsight is always so much more accurate than foresight, but well considered foresight so much more valuable." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

11-05-2009, 09:09 PM	#57
mtnman31 Boolit Master Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego until I get back to Montana Posts: 217	If you want lead, just take the Chinese made toys out of your kid's toy box and melt them down...

11-07-2009, 03:06 PM	#59
TDC Boolit Master Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 292	Last info run.... TTT