Better stock up on brass, primers and powder

[PatMarlin]

As Maggie Thatcher said, "The trouble with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other peoples money".

That's a good one.

[Goatlips]

I just learned of a movement that would affect the rounding up of our brass, primers, and powder so I thought this a good place to post it. Some of you may remember the "29 palms questionnaire" on whether our military would participate in confiscation.

http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/200...orders-we.html

Goatlips

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Goat Lips, good post, and yes there are those of us who swore to defend the constitution against any enemy, Foreign or DOMESTIC.....and this administration and it's appointies and the head of the House and Senate are sizing up as domestic terrorists. They are selling our country to "Communist" China, or have we forgotten about the commies ???

[Dean D.]

Goatlips, thank you for bringing this to our attention. I will be passing the word and link to friends and family.

[sundog]

wow, 7 pages of pontificating over the 'shortage' (glut). Capitalism at it's finest! Supply and demand! Actually, it's a good thing. Next time I buy, everthang on the vendor's shelf will be nice and fresh. Might pay a bit more, but when I put it on MY shelf, it will last until I use it up. Ask the suppliers if there is a recession.

[mike in co]

maybe some one can explain to me how anyone much less the military knows who has reloading components.

this is more bs from rumor mongerers....
sundog has it right, some of you need to close ur ' mouths, and open your brain.......


check it out prior to reacting.....


mike in co

[Recluse]

maybe some one can explain to me how anyone much less the military knows who has reloading components.

this is more bs from rumor mongerers....
sundog has it right, some of you need to close ur ' mouths, and open your brain.......


check it out prior to reacting.....


mike in co

Mike, there is an old saying that goes, "Physician, heal thyself." Good advice in your case. Before you go telling others to close their mouths and open their minds, try it yourself.

Anyone who has ever used a credit card to purchase guns, reloading supplies, ammunition, etc etc, has willingly supplied a record, ie "database," of their purchasing history. This also applies to purchases of tennis shoes, clothes, appliances, cruises, doctor's visits or even groceries or using a credit card to pay bills.

The credit card companies can't sell this information fast enough and will sell it to anyone who wishes to buy it. They will also sell it as many times as they can. Direct response marketers are not the only people who buy this information. Universities buy it for research strata formulations, government agencies (especially Department of Commerce and Department of Health & Human Services) buy it for a host of reasons. GAO buys it as a predictor for future prices on goods the government may be bidding on or contracting for, etc etc.

I'm not a Big Brother conspiracist. But I'm also not a bit trusting of Big Brother. If the government wants to know who has purchased reloading components in the past three years, they can find that out PDQ. And, it's even easier to expedite it since the major banks issue the credit cards and the major banks just got bailed out by Big Brother.

Now whether or not Big Bubba is conspiring to take my reloading stuff away, I have no idea--nor is that the issue. You brought up "how would anyone know?" and then proceeded to admonish folks to close their mouth and open their brain.

I'm simply giving you but a small--very small--example of just how easy it is for "anyone" to get that information in this day and age.

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Agreed Recluse, some people need to respect the idea that we all have opinions, and are Free to express them, if you don't agree, fine, but I don't think this is the place to be telling anyone to shut up and do anything....if you had an open mind you would not jump so quick to the conclusion to tell other to shut up..IMHO.

[armyrat1970]

The problem is that when those people all start fleeing the cities it isn't going to be "like minded people", it's going to be porch monkeys, drug dealers and very desperate men with kids to feed and shelter that are completely out of their element and looking for any hole they can find. Read "Lucifers Hammer" for a very tame idea idea of what I mean. It won't be people coming prepared to survive, it'll be people coming to TAKE to survive. I have a nice little farm here with lotsa room. I could probably support 5 or 6 families here, but I'm not supporting anyone but my own. You want to live on my farm you do things my way, when I say to do it, how I say to do it and exactly as I say to do it or you hit the road and that's after you gain admittance which isn't happening if you don;t bring skills, tools and something of intrinsic value to pay with. No one is going to open a commune for strays and magically make food and shelter appear.

I guess my point is I have very, very little faith in the goodness of mankind in the best of circumstances. In the worst case scenario I have none.

I like your attitude. If the time comes that my family and I ever have to flee this sesspool of a city called the "Big Easy" New Orleans, La. I hope I can find someone like you to group with. I remained here during Katrina and sent my family to Florida. I hung up a flag outside and a sign that read I survived Hurrican Betsy, Vietnam and Katrina. Had to much stuff to carry and was not going to allow my home to be ransacked by the looting that I knew was going to and did happen all around me. Some passed through the area but when they saw me outside with my 45 on my hip and my Mossberg 500 Special Purpose in my hand they didn't come back around. I protected my neighbors homes and generaly watched over the neighborhood. I have skills, tools and don't ever sit around with my finger up my butt. I'm x Army. Vietnam Vet. Wheel and track machanic and construction engineer. In civilian life welder/fitter, heavy equipment operater and although I've never handled a big rig I can drive the wheels off just about anything. I ain't no ANGEL though. Even though a little older, some things don't change. I am a dependable, stand up dude and thats what people will have to look for when TSHTF. My word is my word and my honor. I don't bite my tongue much. I like a good firm handshake. I try to leave no reason for someone to come back and ask me why I made such a mess of things on my job. I like to hear, I can see Warren did it because it's done right. And I'm trusted to do it right the first time. Any questions, I have no problems with asking them and have no problems with answering them.

[armyrat1970]

Ammo's one thing but what everyone here should have hands down is one of these:

http://www.aquarain.com/

You can scoop water up out of a puddle and purify it. We've got 10 years on the same filters for kitchen cooking and drinking water as they are simply regenerated by scubbing and boiling.

I would not be without one and an extra set of filters incase you break one,.

Pat thanks for that link. It would be a lot easier to find meat than it would be to find good pure drinking water. I have fasted for 21 days, working as a welder in the heat of the summer in Southeast Louisiana without a piece of food, but the human body cannot go very long without water. I have a First Needs water filter/purifier but it does not compare to the aquarain.
Thanks

[Bret4207]

I like your attitude. If the time comes that my family and I ever have to flee this sesspool of a city called the "Big Easy" New Orleans, La. I hope I can find someone like you to group with. I remained here during Katrina and sent my family to Florida. I hung up a flag outside and a sign that read I survived Hurrican Betsy, Vietnam and Katrina. Had to much stuff to carry and was not going to allow my home to be ransacked by the looting that I knew was going to and did happen all around me. Some passed through the area but when they saw me outside with my 45 on my hip and my Mossberg 500 Special Purpose in my hand they didn't come back around. I protected my neighbors homes and generaly watched over the neighborhood. I have skills, tools and don't ever sit around with my finger up my butt. I'm x Army. Vietnam Vet. Wheel and track machanic and construction engineer. In civilian life welder/fitter, heavy equipment operater and although I've never handled a big rig I can drive the wheels off just about anything. I ain't no ANGEL though. Even though a little older, some things don't change. I am a dependable, stand up dude and thats what people will have to look for when TSHTF. My word is my word and my honor. I don't bite my tongue much. I like a good firm handshake. I try to leave no reason for someone to come back and ask me why I made such a mess of things on my job. I like to hear, I can see Warren did it because it's done right. And I'm trusted to do it right the first time. Any questions, I have no problems with asking them and have no problems with answering them.

AR, that's all well and good. The problem is if TSHTF you aren't going to be able to get close enough to let me know all that stuff. The shooting commences at 500 yards.......

[mike in co]

Mike, there is an old saying that goes, "Physician, heal thyself." Good advice in your case. Before you go telling others to close their mouths and open their minds, try it yourself.

Anyone who has ever used a credit card to purchase guns, reloading supplies, ammunition, etc etc, has willingly supplied a record, ie "database," of their purchasing history. This also applies to purchases of tennis shoes, clothes, appliances, cruises, doctor's visits or even groceries or using a credit card to pay bills.

The credit card companies can't sell this information fast enough and will sell it to anyone who wishes to buy it. They will also sell it as many times as they can. Direct response marketers are not the only people who buy this information. Universities buy it for research strata formulations, government agencies (especially Department of Commerce and Department of Health & Human Services) buy it for a host of reasons. GAO buys it as a predictor for future prices on goods the government may be bidding on or contracting for, etc etc.

I'm not a Big Brother conspiracist. But I'm also not a bit trusting of Big Brother. If the government wants to know who has purchased reloading components in the past three years, they can find that out PDQ. And, it's even easier to expedite it since the major banks issue the credit cards and the major banks just got bailed out by Big Brother.

Now whether or not Big Bubba is conspiring to take my reloading stuff away, I have no idea--nor is that the issue. You brought up "how would anyone know?" and then proceeded to admonish folks to close their mouth and open their brain.

I'm simply giving you but a small--very small--example of just how easy it is for "anyone" to get that information in this day and age.

for the record MY CC COMPANY records my gun related purchases as "lesure and sports"

some of my businesses report under generic business names........

sorry i just dont buy big government doing this...just plain bs.

each to thier own

mike in co( off to the gun show to earn my living)

[exile]

As a friend of mine once said, they will probably go house to house when they get ready to confiscate this stuff, so records won't matter anyway. I do agree though that credit card companies will probably supply all this information at will anyway. All they have to do though is get a list of all the pro-gun organizations membership (NRA, GOA, JPFO, SEF, etc.,) and go from that. No, I don't think they will give it up willingly, but it won't matter if they are all dead. Also, there will always be some informant in your little town (and mine) who will be willing to give up names of those with guns (see civiian security force). Yes I do believe this administration will go that far. I would make some brave statement about fighting back, but my health ain't so great.

exile

[Recluse]

for the record MY CC COMPANY records my gun related purchases as "lesure and sports"

some of my businesses report under generic business names........

sorry i just dont buy big government doing this...just plain bs.

each to thier own

mike in co( off to the gun show to earn my living)

Mike, "leisure and sports" comes up on your statements. Believe me, there is a hard record of every item purchased during a transaction and it is almost always for sale--and not to just the highest bidder, but ANYONE who is willing to pay.

Long time ago, I used to work in law enforcement for Uncle Sam. We got a warrant handed to us to arrest a registered sex offender (before they were "registered sex offenders" and were just plain old perverts). The evidence for arrest was given to us by his credit card company--he'd made mail-order purchases of kiddie-pornography.

Mike, this was over 25 years ago before Al Gore invented the internet. We didn't need a warrant for that information, we didn't have to "threaten or bully" the CC issuer, nothing. We asked, they gave.

Now, with the Patriot Act and other lesser known nebulous encroachments on our civil liberties, freedoms and RIGHTS, just about whatever Uncle Sam wants in terms of information on his subjects, he can get. Easily and quickly.

The perfect analogy is the frog and boiling water. These encroachments have happened so gradually and so subtle that most of us have barely noticed. Now that they are in place, we can only "trust" that our elected officials will never abuse such authority and power.

So what do we do? Quit using credit cards? Not really feasible for most of us. I use a check/debit card dedicated solely for online/mail-order purchases. I've simply had to accept that at any given time, any given entity can learn whether or not I ordered extra cheese on my pizza the last time I called Pizza Hut.

All that junk mail you and your neighbors get? Ever wonder how they can target you so specifically. . . ? Database/information marketing has been the hottest area of marketing for the past fifteen plus years.

I'm not paranoid about "covering my tracks" on all purchases; just simply cognizant that my information--and yours--is out there for sale to anyone who wants to purchase it.

Have a great gun show and enjoy the multitudes of good people out shopping and browsing.

[exile]

I just went back and read all of this thread. My two cents worth is, Obama is in office now. I am 48 years old, as far as I can see, the liberals have been waiting for this moment for 50 years. All bets are off. As a former liberal who has been a conservative for 26 years (due to a Christian conversion) I don't think we appreciate the hatred that liberals have for the values expressed on this board. They would not mind if we were all in concentration camps or dead. In fact, I think they would prefer it.

In my opinion, it is impossible to restore the values that gave birth to this country without a spiritual awakening. This country was founded on Christian principles supported by the Bill of Rights. But in my opinion, without the underpinning of those principles, the Bill of Rights means little. We talk alot about restoring America to what it once was, but what America was, and will probably never be again, was a Christian nation. We cannot have a rebirth of a nation in an economic, political, or military sense when our spiritual underpinnings are gone. Just ask the Brits. There was a time when the sun never set on the British Empire, but as their spiritual underpinnings became less important their political, economic, military influence began to decline.

I don't mean to be a naysayer, but I live in a small town of 4,000 people. Most of the folks in this town are related to my wife, a lot of the land is owned by those in her family or those she has known all her life. However, the people that share her values (and mine) are in their seventies, eighties, or nineties. Those with similar values left long ago to go to school or to the city to take a job. Having worked in many small rural communities in the past, I can say that what is true for us is probably true of a lot of rural communities. I am not trying to slam all those who live in the city, I am a city boy myself. What I am trying to say is that having land and reloading supplies alone will not save this country. I wish it were that simple. As my wife often says, there is not a lot of difference between a kid raised in the country or one raised in the city anymore. MTV has seen to that.

Our lives are pretty simple and revolve around my wife's family, the farm, our church, and for me, reloading and shooting. I hope that will continue, but I doubt it.

I am rambling, but my point is that the things that made this nation great are in many ways intangible, and those are the hardest things to preserve or retain. Despite living in a small town surrounded by relatives and friends, five minutes from the farm where my wife grew up, I am pessimistic about our chances for survival. Our current situation is not like anything we have seen before, or will probably ever see again. This is a spiritual battle as well as a political, economic, and military one. This is Barack Hussein Obama's administration, and once they get rolling they will make the Clinton administration look timid. I admire those of you who think this will all blow over, but I cannot share your optimism.

Having said all that, I am still buying what reloading supplies I can, enjoying reading "40 years with the 45-70" by Paul A. Matthews, and dreaming about working up loads for my new .327 Federal as finances and health permits.

Let the flaming begin.

exile

[felix]

Exile, check out the old testament. You will see that nations rose and fell several times for reasons you say are intangible. I would say the word of the Lord is tangible via Christ who was OBVIOUSLY physical. If you say you are Christian, you must exemplify it to be counted. ... felix

[Apache]

This thread is good to see in one way...bad in other ways.

There seem to be many of us that think the same way.....prepare for the worst and hope for the best. BUT, if things do get bad, we will do our part to keep our family and friends safe. Some seem to think we are crazy..but we don't really seem to care what they think...

Too bad there isn't some way to identify which are the "good guys" and which are "bad guys".....There are some really good folks that are going to be hurting when/if TSHTF. It would be nice to be able to help them.......IF they could be identified.

I live in the central Louisiana area, for the most part a rural type setting with conservative values. The city, of coarse, is not the same. My family and friends started planning to be self sufficient some time ago before it was "the thing to do"....as it is now. Saw this coming awhile ago.

I would suggest, for those that are preparing, getting more supplies than are needed...so as to help others that prove to be "like minded" when to time comes. There will be an exodus from the cities by both good and bad people. It would be nice to be able to tell the difference before I "dropped" the wrong people.

BTW.....I would hope to think that "good folks" would ASK for help....not try to steal it....hint, hint.

I would be willing to help anyone that asks, and will feel sorry for the ones that don't. Your values and morals, or lack thereof, will make or break you in the times ahead......should TSHTF.

[zampilot]

Gosh what a coincidence: all the components purchased by me on any credit card are now located in the woods or target berms. I just checked and they are all gone occifer, honest!

[rhead]

I'm not paranoid about "covering my tracks" on all purchases; just simply cognizant that my information--and yours--is out there for sale to anyone who wants to purchase it.

I hope the time does not come when you wish that you had been. The problem with being paranoid is that when it becomes aparrent that you need to start it is time to be finishing up.

I don't think that we will see mass confiscations (though I may be wrong and don't really have an answer to it that involves my survival and keeping the guns). I think it more likely that we will see increases in taxes on the compenents for ammunition and the loaded rounds themselves. Hazmat-mat fee will go up and start including more items. The one has stated that he would like to see a 500% tax on all firearm related items. It won't happen all at once(froggie in the pan again). The shortages we are seeing now may be just a bubble caused by increased intrest in creating or increasing a stockpile out of concern that prices may increase as supplies decrease. To some extent it probably is and we will see a letup in the near future.

Twenty years from now this may be the good old days.

[Dean D.]

Cash on the barrel head is how I do my business. I've probably given Big Brother more info on this site than anywhere else. FWIW