I have used 4756 for many years now; in the 9MM (Luger & Baretta) 4.7 grains runs the actions well and doesn't generate a lot of pressure. Neither pistol is a target/bullseye machine anyway, but the grouping at 25 yards with 115-120 grain bullets- RCBS truncated CN and Lyman 358242 will consistently group into 4 inches off the bench. With 44 Mag, using H&G mold 503 @ 250 grains, I have been using 9 grains of 4756 for a short range/lighter load at 25 yards off the bench and it does 10 ring one hole all day. Undoubtedly it can be pushed a bit harder, but there is no reason for me to do that. Both loads are economical and a pound goes pretty far. Its a good powder and I'm glad that it is still around. LLS