Not wanting to hijack thread, good load information in it.
But the "sane velocity", "easy on the paws" loads of bullets under 300 grains at 1,000 in the "20,000 psi range".
Good number of the fellows in that thread use them, and say they do well with them on deer out to 60 yards in a handgun, but the two questions that come to mind is,
1. how much actual recoil/shooting hand pain do you actually experience with them?
2. And how do you manage to harvest a deer with lightweight loads when it would seem that the "new internet minimum" is 300-350 gains at 1200fps?