This has been a while back but pulled them out yesterday and got mad all over. Purchased some 8x50r Austrian brass or i thought. What i got was 7.62x54 brass trimmed down. A box of 20 cost $33.60 plus shipping. No where does it say this brass needs to be formed. Could have bought the brass myself and trimmed it actually i did and got 100 rounds cheaper than they sold 20. I wrote a review but it has not been posted what a surprise.