The serial # must be on the FRAME in the U.S.A. If it is not, it is not a Winchester. Perhaps the Spanish El Tigre. Unless it is very inexpensive, I'd pass on it as well.
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The serial # must be on the FRAME in the U.S.A. If it is not, it is not a Winchester. Perhaps the Spanish El Tigre. Unless it is very inexpensive, I'd pass on it as well.
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The upper tang had the WInchester 1892 stamp. Looks like a real one. Its just that the receiver had so many writings on it. I didnt mention it I think, but the rifle is a saddle ring carbine. Thats why I thought it could have been military related. The upper tang had Win model stamp but the barrel Had Numerich stamped.
If the rifle is a foreign clone, then the crude serial number on the tang might be the only one it has. Long guns in the USA weren't required to have the serial number on the receiver proper until 1968. My 1967 Marlin Glenfield 30 has it on the lower tang from the factory.
Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.
May not be "required" but Winchester stamped all the 92's I ever saw on the reciever bottom up front - right where they balance for carry - I have a couple of 5 digit early ones and also later versions same place - clones different? likely yes - but hes tellin us it has a clear Winchester stamp on the uppper tang so that part is correct - I have seen a couple with the numbers rubbed that faint they could barely be read - quite likely if it was a prison guard gun (carried eight or ten hours a day!)
Kev
My 92's dont have anything else on the reciever
just the serial number underneath up front and the marking on the upper tang - that is in three lines 1-model 1892
2- Winchester 3 Patent blurb - ......barrel has calibre marking eg 32 WCF and then the Winchester barrel marking running longwise
If there is an issue with legality of serial number I would likely pass and spend the money on a Rossi at some point - but I think you like resurrecting originals?
The dealer will enter whatever # he finds on the 4473 form. Look hard at the normal serial# location- no evidence of grinding/sanding? I don't believe handling wear could completely remove the deep factory stamping. Go back and take lots of pics for us curious types.
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Nobade for the win. Might be an interesting shooter but your spidey sense was correct that something was off. Buy if it you get a good price but remember you are getting what you pay for.
I've bought a couple of these. Some shot really good, some not so much but none I would consider worth a great deal.
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It sounds like everyone has decided this rifle falls into the "shooter" class rather than the "collector" class. While waiting for the gunsmith to return, ask the seller if he would go with you to a range where you can cycle a few rounds through the rifle to determine that it will fire and function properly. Just that information should be determined before you have any serious intentions about buying it.
I shoot everything I have. I own a few expensive rifles, and I shoot all of them. I wont own anything I wont shoot. I was interested in the rifle because it was a saddle ring carbine. It looked cool from far. Once it got in my hands though I had a change of thought.
And I wish I could go to a range but thats not possible. None in my area. And I dont think anyone around here or in this country even does that. That's more of an American thing I feel like No gun stores have ranges in proximity, not in my area atleast.
In the mean time Im shooting what I have!
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |