Attachment 207846Attachment 207841Doc, if you think they are ugly now, Have one DuraCoted. Butt ugly but man will it shoot.
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IT AINT what ya shoot--its how ya shoot it. NONE of us are as smart as ALL of us!
More gun than needed for the 10. I'd consider a 10 in the GP, but not the SRH
Dave Clements does the GP100 in 10 mm and 41 Special, both 6 shot ! The super Redhawks is just too big for me, glad they're doing some interesting revolvers!
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When I saw this I was like ????
I am a nut for moon clipped revolvers and have more than a few of them but this just has no interest for me as the platform is oversized for the 10mm. If I could ream it out for 10mm Magnum or just make it a .41 like others have suggested.
I will just stick with my 6.5" S&W 610.
The only time that would be true is if you compare Underwood and Buffalo bore 10mm loads to "low flash, low recoil" 357 such as golden saber 125@1300 fps.
When comparing apples to apples, such as Remington 10mm vs Remington 357, the 357 is always more powerful.
When comparing BB/ Underwood loads, the 10mm makes 600-700 foot pounds and 357 makes 700-800. 357 will shoot 180 grain bullets 100 fps faster, with a better SD and BC meaning more penetration and more down range power.
Where do you get your information that the 10mm is more powerful? That rumor started with the mall ninja tactical bros on youtube and is completely false for every bullet weight.
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My friends and I now have the 10x25R.
This is a necked-down .44 Special to .40 cal. with the case shortened to 1". Lee .44 Special Quik-Trim die is shortened by .16" to accurately cut off cases. Capacity is about the same as the 10mm Auto, but we have a rimmed, bottlenecked case with 0.3" neck, and same shoulder angle and body taper as .38-40. Powder capacity is 28 grains of 3Fg Goex with compression die, or you can use either .40 S&W or 10mm data in rechambered Ruger revolver.
Dave Mansen did the reamers and gages. Will attach print, anybody can order the reamer.
John Taylor used Green Mountain 10mm blanks to rebarrel NM Ruger Blackhawk .357/9mm convertibles, doing one cylinder to 10x25R and the other to either 10mm Auto, or .40 S&W, as requested by the customer. Design intent was to have a cartridge which matched .38-40 Winchester '92 performance, but using a stronger case and not having the excessive free airspace of the .38-40. Experience with the 10mm Auto proved it had adequate capacity for a serious hunting load, so having that capacity in a traditional profile, strong rimmed case, in a strong revolver gives the best of both worlds, either a black powder cartridge having ballistics like the .41 Long Colt, or a powerful modern revolver hunting round, with the option of having extra cylinders for the revolver in either .38-40, .40 S&W or 10mm Auto. We think the 10x25R simply "Looks Right!"
DougGuy did the dies, much more less expensive and faster than ordering custom dies from the mainstream makers. He took a Lee .38-40 die set, shortening from the base both seater and sizer by 0.4", then honing neck portion of the sizer die to .420" and the neck portion of seater to .429. Bullet is Accurate 40-220H.
Once cases are fire-formed, fired cases can be reloaded by neck sizing only using .40 S&W or 10mm die set backed off with a .53" thick ring spacer.
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well there close. Bufflalo bore 357 has 180s going 1400 and 10mm 180s going 1350 Switch to two different guns and that might switch to the advantage of either. Buffalo bore also loads 220s in the 10 to 1200fps and for truly big game where penetration is paramount it would be tough for a 357 to match. Bottom line though is there about identical in power. About like comparing the 270 to the 280. If I was out in big bear country I wouldn't want either but theres a heck of a lot more power on tap in a 14 shot 10mm glock then there is in a gp100 that holds six. One other thing your not factoring in is bullet diameter. A 10mm bullet if cast is going to have a bigger metplat and if jacketed is going to expand to a larger diameter all things equal like if both guys were shooting 180 xpts and create a larger wound channel. Cast bullet in handguns gain more power by bullet diameter metplat diameter and bullet weight then they do by adding 50 or a 100 fps. Foot lbs of energy is not a real good way to compare handguns. A 125 grain hp screaming of of a 357 at 1500fps is going to put some impressive numbers on paper but isn't near as effective on big game as it is pushing a 220 hard cast bigger diameter bullet at 1100-1200fps out of a 10 or 41. Bottom line is either one loaded to optimum hunting levels are so close it isn't worth arguing. Me if faced with something big would take the 10 with 220s at 1200fps over any 357 load but again its a minor difference. Where the 10mm really shines is in that you can get mag level performance out of a high capacity semi auto. My glock 29 holds 10 rounds compared to 6 45s in the same size gun and my 20 holds 14. Moon clip guns are fun and I liked my 610 but truth be told in the hunting field id if I have to carry an N frame id rather have a 41 or 44. .
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My point still stands.
When loaded with select powders that reach 100% pressure and 100% case capacity, 357 will shoot a 215-220 grain bullet the same or faster than 10mm loaded with select powders that reach 100% pressure and 100% case capacity.
357 does this while having better sectional density and better ballistic coefficient. This is because 357 has more case capacity and slightly higher pressure.
When loaded with projectiles with roughly the same SD and BC in each caliber (180 vs 220), the 357 makes almost 200 more foot pounds and shoots much flatter. How far does a fixed 25 yard zero Glock with 1150 fps projectile drop at 100 compared to a 1450 fps 357 zeroed at 75? The difference is like 9". This is less ballistics but practical application.
With the same SD they will penetrate the same but 10mm has less energy. Here is a rough example but beartooth's predictions are always spot on for hard bullets. 220@ 1100 fps and .32 meplat makes .88 inch wound in gel. 180 @ 1400 w/ a .28 meplat is .98. I was also generous with the 10mm meplat because many glocks can't take that large.
https://www.beartoothbullets.com/res...v2=1100&v1=.32
10mm finally starts penetrating like an average 357 when you run ultra heavy for caliber bullets.
160 -180 grain 357 has SD of .179-.202 .
10mm 200-220gr has SD of .178-.195 .
When 357 runs ultra heavy bullets (215 gr) it has .24 SD.
Basically the 357 shoots rifle bullets
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215 grains sounds really long in a 357 case. Some cylinders are shorter than others too. I never tried more than 180 grains in a 357. Is anyone shooting 215 grains with accuracy?
That 40-44 looks interesting,what kind of velocities are you getting with it?
Oh great, another thread that makes me spend money.
I agree. The 10mm in a revolver offers a good balance of performance and comfort. SAMMI MAP for a 10mm is 37.5 K which gives a pressure edge over a 357 Mag at 35K so you can get a little more efficiency from the round. At the same time being in a large frame revolver it is pleasant to shoot. My 10mm revolver is a single action and I won't rule out getting a double action if the price is right.
10mm. . .in a Super Redhawk???
As long as we're being timid and silly, why not just chamber the gun in .22 Short. . .with the capacity of the cylinder reduced to five just to make sure it's able to hold up to the strain.
We have lots of rimmed revolver rounds that can equal or exceed the 10mm. Why struggle fitting an autoloader's round into a revolver that's massively overbuilt just to get reduced performance? A .41 or .44 dialed down gets you to the same place with no need for sheet metal adapters.
WWJMBD?
In the Land of Oz, we cast with wheel weight and 2% Tin, Man.
both of my glocks feed even wfns with no problem and my point still stands. Food pounds of energy is a poor way to compare handgun rounds. No revolver shoots flat and if your looking to stretch hunting ranges to a 100 yards you need to learn your gun period. If I know it drops 9 inchs at a 100 yards its sure no bit deal to hold for it. Come out to a linebaugh seminar and learn that with proper hold over you can make hits out past 500 yards with a revolver. Been in the handgun hunting game for 30 years and what kills is a bullet with a good metplat that penetrates. Ive never shot bullets over a 180 grain in a 357. I have to wonder if they would even stabilize out past 50 yards with a 200 grain plus bullet and I don't consider 180s ultra heavy for the caliber. In fact its a mid weight bullet in a 10. If I did I guess id have to consider 200s heavy for the caliber in a 41 or 158s heavy for the caliber in a 357. Simple question for you. Would you feel better armed against a bear with a 357 shooting a hard cast 180 lfn or a 41 mag shooting a 180 grain lfn at the same speed. basically were within 50 fps with a comparison between the 357 and the 10 using 180s. Ive seen different barrels in the same caliber vary that much. Use what you want but ive killed enough game with handguns to know there not killed with a calculator. You might start seeing some advantage to higher velocity lighter bullets at a 100 yards if your talking jacketed soft points and hps but this is a cast bullet sight and I would have to guess that a hard cast bullet is what most here load in either of these calibers for hunting. You want to step up in power with a cast bullet you step up in caliber not in speed. Ive killed enough game with handguns to know that to be fact. Bottom line is a 45 colt shooting a 255 grain bullet at 900fps will kill better then either of those two cartridges will.
SRH 44mag. Butt ugly, smooth action (da and sa), scarry accurate, a keeper for me.
So you know better than Ol Elmer? Why did he ever invent the 357 if superior cartridges were already available? He is actually quoted saying how the 357 is much more effective than the 45 Colt.
I skip the useless 10 and when I want lighter muzzle blast than the 357 I step right up to midrange 45 Super. 212 gr at 1200 fps or 260 at 1000 fps. Then and only then can your meplat vs velocity equals a 357 mag. 10mm just isnt a big bore hunting round like people think it is. Barely bigger meplat than a 357 but less energy and less velocity means it makes small wounds. The same people who say 357 is on the low end for bear protection, deer hunting, etc. are the same ones who think 10mm is like Thor's hammer.
And to answer your odd question if i would prefer a 357 or a 40 at same weight and velocity vs a bear, of course I would want the sectional density to break bones. Is that a serious question? The higher SD bullet will penetrate 25% more bones or CNS before it stops. You stop dangerous game with penetration of structural bones or central nervous system. Dangerous game are not like a video game where you can shoot your whole 33 round mag at it to bring its health bar down. You get one shot. Maybe 1 in 4 bear attacks you get a second shot.
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BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |