SOMEWHERE................ I read that their is another rifle case that uses the same shellholder and has the same diameter as a 44 mag case. looking to make longer brass for shot loads for my ruger sbh revolver.
SOMEWHERE................ I read that their is another rifle case that uses the same shellholder and has the same diameter as a 44 mag case. looking to make longer brass for shot loads for my ruger sbh revolver.
445 Super Mag
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Designed by Elgin T. Gates for silhouette shooting, the .445 Super Magnum is a heavy duty, lengthened version of the .44 Magnum. Guns have been manufactured by Dan Wesson and Thompson/Center. Primer pocket must be reamed deeper if you wish to use Large Rifle primers.
I've been cutting down .444 cases and .303 Brit cases. I also use a cutdown .410 shotgun wad for the shot. Top it off by crimping a piece of card stock, cut to size, over the shot, and a few dribbles of candle wax to hold it in place.
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1.600 - 1.610 O.A.L.
152.50 for 250 pieces of brass from Starline.
And by the way, the .445 Super Mag is a blast to shoot!! We even had a pretty lady shooting one at one of the NCBS get togethers.
It really puts the knockdown on a swinging steel plate!
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Kinda reminds me of the old .357 Maxi, i sure wish i could have bought one of the Rugers before they halted production of them, they cost a small fortune now days when you see one, kinda like a nice Pre 64 Winchester
I have some in process. I found that i needed to thin the rim, and reduce the diameter slightly so they fit my Ruger SBH.
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I've done it with 444 Marlin brass, I have also done the 303 route. Using 303 the case is very thick, which.....reduces payload a bit.
Using the 444 Marlin requires a lathe to turn down the body right next to the rim. I can get a 30% increase in payload using the 444 Marlin, but I can't remember how much I got in the 303 British.
I use a special die for the crimp though, it's called a notching die which cycles great in rifles.
Hardest part when coming up with ideas.....trying to come up with a cheap parent case, it's not as easy as you may think.
After thinking a bit about what 54bore wrote, that's a case I didn't even consider. Guess I'll need to try the 445 case since it's even cheaper than what I'm using right now.
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I just checked midway and they have the .445 Super Mag Starline Brass for .50 Cents a piece, 49 something for 100
I have a thread in the WTB section for the 445 Brass. I was going to post a thread on making them from 444 Marlin brass till you posted about 445 brass. The 445 brass is even cheaper than 444 brass, but I only have 444 Marlin brass here at the moment. I want to compare the payload side by side before I go diving into this conversion. The 414 Super Mag I use for the 41Mag shot load came out nice.
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I'll make a thread later on that. Keep in mind that I use a special form die called a notching die when I close the case mouth.
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I used R-P brass for the .303 British. I cut it down to just smaller than the length of the cylinders on my Ruger NM super Blackhawk, which turned out to be 1.680".
I just measured the rims of some R-P .44 Mag brass, and they measured .054" thick.
The rims of the R-P .303 Brit brass measured .059" thick. I didn't have any trouble with the cylinder turning, no binding, using that brass.
Hope this helps!
Don
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WELL HERE IS AN UPDATE, A FELLOW SHOOTER GAVE ME ABOUT 60 PIECES OF 303 BRIT BRASS. THE RIM DIA. NEEDS TO BE TURNED DOWN A BIT, TIL THEN i CANNOT SEE IF THE CYL. WILL SPIN FREELY. ONCE I CUT THESE TO LENGTH, DO I NEED TO EXPAND THESE ANY?
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |