The problem I have is if I push a shell on the expander and drop the expander with the shell in it in the die, the case doesn't stick out the bottom of the die far enough to even let the shell holder even think of holding the shell. Then if I push the shell on the expander far enough to start flaring the case mouth then drop it in the die, the bottom of the shell is flush with the bottom of the die. I tried this with both the 9 mm and the 380. I with is was a mess up on my part assembling the die, but not the case here.