got some shorties in an auction last night. loading doubles, or even triples in 38 cases over 4-5 grains green dot can lead to mucho funero at the shooting range. throwing enough into your target to generate 6 holes, then throwing all the rest of them into your neighbor's target can really get them scratching. I had one guy swearing that his bullets were bouncing off the dirt backstop and coming back thru the target towards him. he packed up and left, swearing never to use that range again, because it was just too dangerous...