Old primers

[MR45]

has anyone seen this primer be four someone left three boxes over the gun club for

[MR45]

Sorry the pictures didn't go

[victorfox]

Any chance The primers look like regular 209 but are shorter stubbier and have two lateral flashroles?

[MR45]

The package says Eley 1B shotgun primers
Nothing I've seen like this in my 45 years of reloading

[Mk42gunner]

My google-foo isn't working very well tonight, but from what I found they are meant to reprime the battery cup that is normally used in shotgun primers.

I started reloading shotguns in 1976 or 77 and have never reprimed the primer.

Robert

[MR45]

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[victorfox]

This made me more curious. Looking at the shape of the primers the casing/hull should be an almost straight hole with a small step where the primer would stop before falling inside the case... Never seem these not even in books/pics. Just wondering. I have an almost full box of 5.45 (#50) primers meant for paper hulls of .410 and 32ga (12mm and 14mm in French parlance "carabine de jardin)) for which I have no use because there are no paper hulls here anymore. The fit the description i gave earlier (lateral flash hole etc). Maybe I could open one brass shell and shoot them in it then use it as wad cutter since it won't accept a 209 primer anymore (#50 is a bit wider).Keep your primer as relic or try to sell them as such to collectors...

[andy h]

Those are Eley sure fire primer's meant for reloading the primer battery cup instead of replacing the whole primer ,They went into obsolesense 40 year's ago.

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

Well, I sure learned something new today. I had never seen anything like this. Never heard of just replacing the battery cup.

[victorfox]

Hi Charlie, how's going? I've read in my old books and manuals (mostly American) that CCI (if I remember right) sold years ago something like a berdan primer, used to recap the 209 primer. But these Eley's are surely out of anything I've seen or read about!

[Reverend Al]

Up here in Canada CIL (Canadian Industries Ltd.) also marketed shotgun primers without the battery cups. A lot of the older shotshell presses were set up to deprime the inner primer from the battery cup of the 2 piece shotshell primer and then you seated one of these new primers into your old battery cup. This was common, especially with the old CIL paper hulled shotgun shells.

[Reverend Al]

CIL offered both these primers with just the primer and anvil, or the complete replacement shotshell primer in the battery cup. They were listed as the 4B & 4BP CIL primers.

(These must have been for those that were retired and had far more time to reload?)

[hornetman]

I still have 1000 of the CCI's. They are marked "No.209 B Winchester size shotshell caps". They were also made in the 57 size for Remington hulls. I also have the tool to rseprime the Battery cups. It looks like a small arbor press.