JCwit, no offense taken. I have been wearing a uniform and adhereing to a grooming policy for over 26 years. I have a few more to go before I start growing my beard. I won't be growing a Duck Dynasty style beard though, it will be trimmed. I agree with your comment about a large number of our young people (younger than me, which isn't very young) that intentionally dress sloppy. Most of it is an intentional fashion statement and the majority of today's youth are smarter than we were at their age. They just too often are forced/trained to concentrate on learning useless "stuff."