New pics! The first is 9 in a group that consisted of the 311041 over 28 gr. Varget and oal at 2.437" , i.e. at the crimp groove as depicted in the previous post. The second group is 7 with the boolit seated to 2.535". I had ten of those but had to stop shooting to run some antelope does off the range (for the second time!) and put the other three into a different group, the first shot of which went to point of aim but then it opened to a 1 1/2" triangle. Groups fired at 50 yds.