Weird variation on 429421

[MtGun44]

Check out this pic of a Lyman 429421 4 holer now for sale on eBAY.

The ultra thin front driving band and long nose is WAY different from
any other Lyman version of this boolit that I have ever seen. Click on
the pic below to see the full size, and appreciate the odd shape.


Further proof that just buying a mold number doesn't always get you
the boolit design you thought you were getting.

Bill

[Ghugly]

I own 3 different styles of 429421's and none are like that one. It would be kind of cool if someone could do a definitive list of what is out there. Give each style some sort of descriptive name so we could tell them apart.

[uncle joe]

ok this is my second try to do this so here it goes
I opened up my doc with lyman molds on it and put it on top of the pic you posted above. WOW what happened to that mold.

[hollow-point]

i have 3 different types of #429421 but not that one!?.

[GLL]

Further proof that just buying a mold number doesn't always get you
the boolit design you thought you were getting.

Bill

VERY TRUE !

All but one of the bullets in this photo are Lyman (IDEAL) 454424 (or 452424) !

Jerry

[Dale53]

GLL;
One interesting thing about your picture of all of the different "452424's" is that the crimp groove is just about the same height on all (except for the last one). At least, loading density should not change much.

I cannot IMAGINE the total lack of intelligence in changing the design of ANY bullet without changing the name. At least they could mark "modified" or something on it. Otherwise, what is the point of identifying ANY mould?

Dale53

[HeavyMetal]

This is one of those Lyman molds that Elmer flew of the handle about in the early 70's late 60's!

He had a fan mail a few to him with the question: why didn't it have the big front driving band he was always thumping his chest about? He was "cranky" about it for years!

Lyman never did give him the time of day about it ( at least not publicly). RCBS, on the other hand, finally got a pat on the back form the old boy when they introduced the 250-K mold. The version with the square cut lube groove and the big front band.

I think I've seen 6 different lyman 429421 designs and 4 250 -K's from RCBS!

I actually have a pair of the RCBS molds That I believe are a match as to the cherry that cut them. Both cast well and were bought with tandom casting in mind.

This is why I dislike buying on line! If I have a choice I always prefer to open and examine a mold proir to purchase.

Sadly most small shops can't/don't have the cash flow to keep a lot of inventory.

So we spends our money and we takes our chance!

[44man]

Now all of you know why I say the semi wadcutters don't shoot for crap!

[Kirk Miller]

Lyman may be the most recognized name in boolit casting, but their consistency is pathetic. As a new caster, I have cast with four different 358477 molds, and every one has been different enough that they could have had different numbers assigned to them.

Kirk

[leftiye]

Kirk - correction, SHOULD HAVE! Kinda reminds one of the current aberration about "reimagining" reality = anything goes, who cares about if it works. (BTW, you shouldn't "imagine" reality, you should percieve it, and percieve it accurately. Reality was here before man came around, not to mention computer geeks, and airheads.)

[GLL]

Dale53:

Your observation about the bullet on the right is a good one !

That bullet is 45 2.1's design for CAT'S 454424 LEE Group Buy!

I find it superior to the original !

Jerry

[Lloyd Smale]

problem is that at lyman or rcbs what you have is a machinist making a cherry not a bullet caster. When there cherry is wore out they no doubt tell the machinist to make another. The machinist doesnt care if its a tad differnt as hes not casting with the mold. Rcbs and lyman dont care because if they slap the same number on it people will buy it and most wont know the differnence. The problem to me isnt that there not faithfull copys of keiths designs. Swcs are funny bullets some seem to shoot and some dont. It doesnt take much of a change to goof one up. Some designs that arent true to keith seem to work well. But when you find one that does youd better start looking for a backup before it is changed or at least cast a couple bullets while the mold is still in great shape and put them away in case you ever need to have a custom mold maker copy it. That isnt even a guarantee either. Weve had lee try to copy some designs and theyve missed the mark by a mile. Just like in any other bussiness these days the companys are run by yuppie bean counters not grass roots consumers.

[Bret4207]

Looks more like Gord Bosler's 429360.

[beagle]

That was my first thought when I looked at the picture./beagle

Looks more like Gord Bosler's 429360.

[MtGun44]

Doesn't the 360 have purely straight sides (true truncated cone) for
the nose shape?

Bill

[Bret4207]

Yeah but the rest of it looks right. I think it's like someone else said- The guy making the cherry doesn't give 2 craps what it looks like as long as it cuts to size and stays sharp along time.

[Char-Gar]

It fairly common to find Lyman molds that vary widly is specs through out the production life of that number. It would appear that Lyman didn't have a set of master specs or if they did have them, they were ignored. This happens with rifle and pistol bullets alike.

[mtgrs737]

Poor adhearance to a specific demensional standard. They may well shoot just fine, or not. Variation is the ruin of many manufactured items.


Mtgrs737

[Morgan Astorbilt]

This, by comparison, is my #429421 mold, about ten years old. The grease grooves seem to be round bottom, mine are square.

Morgan

[winchester243]

Wow the thing went for $109.06 plus shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=005