Language in Posts

[JSnover]

Seems the response of mj2evans is that of a troll don't you think?

Either that or he's not able to get his head around the concept of manners. I've been on several unmoderated forums and they usually devolve into free-for-alls, with a bunch of idiots hurling insults.
This is a much better place… if we can keep it clean.

[fatelk]

Wow. Asking someone to be careful with their language is political censorship, the kind that leads to widespread suffering and death? Someone has a severe misunderstanding of basic civics. It's as if the mere cry of the word "Censorship!" is supposed to win the argument, without any understanding of what it really even means.

Nobody's judging anyone for their language. Talk however you want elsewhere and it doesn't bother me. If you come into my house and insist on talking like a sailor around my family, and I will kick you out of MY house. Same with this site; site owner makes the rules. Some other rules are no abusive personal attacks, no porn, etc.. Is this censorship?

Most people have a filter. The guys I work with use plenty of colorful language, but whenever we get together with our respective families they are respectful and careful with their language. They do it instinctively without anyone asking them to, like the mature adults that they are.

[Hamish]

There's a hint of Frank in the air tonight,,,,,,,,,

Well said Country Gent.

[therealhitman]

Title of this thread had me worried, I thought Spanish was being made the official language of CB.

BB

Sure feels like the official language of our school systems and about half of every state in the Union though.

[Bzcraig]

For a few hours I thought about asking for the thread to be taken down, this is the first thread I've started that stirred up passion as it has. The more I thought about it though, the more I thought someone else would be able to better communicate what my point was. I posted an observation that was conjured up over the last 3-5 days when on 3 occasions I saw outright profanity. It baffles my imagination that the concept of this not being a "public forum" but a private domain which they agreed to the TOS and now they act as though that never happened. They have expressed that to agree to the TOS was censorship, I don't get it, they have a choice. I publicly apologize to mj2evans because I violated the TOS myself by making a post that attacked his person when I insinuated he was a troll.

[mj2evans]

Bzcraig I accept your apology. As to the rest that want to jump on me have at it. I won't lose sleep over simple words or small minds.

You have your rules, fine. Quit griping about it. You guys really take a little criticism well. I'd hate to see the world if you had any actual authority.

[NavyVet1959]

If you don't like what someone says, I believe that there is an "ignore" feature.

I've seen what sites can devolve into when you have a bunch of pantywaists who want to control everything that everyone else says. I guess that's where the HOA Nazis congregate when they are not harassing the citizens of their communities.

[btroj]

Censorship happens here but it isn't over language.

[therealhitman]

Bzcraig I accept your apology. As to the rest that want to jump on me have at it. I won't lose sleep over simple words or small minds.

You have your rules, fine. Quit griping about it. You guys really take a little criticism well. I'd hate to see the world if you had any actual authority.

Quite a conciliatory tone. And such a gracious acceptance of the apology.
Cowboy fan, huh?

If you don't like what someone says, I believe that there is an "ignore" feature.
I've seen what sites can devolve into when you have a bunch of pantywaists who want to control everything that everyone else says. I guess that's where the HOA Nazis congregate when they are not harassing the citizens of their communities.

When I'm out in public and some ignoramous with low IQ and no class starts dropping F Bombs in front of my, and other people's, kids I wish there was an ignore button. Of course I can't see a post count in real life, but they usually look a decade or so younger than I (if that means anything). All I can do is try the "Watch the language there's kids here" but half the time they get puffy chested and belligerent and always risks the chance it escalates when they're in a group or if my temper snaps one on one. Am I attempting to censor in this instance? Or merely correcting an imbecile's witless shattering of decorum? Decorum must equal censorship. That's it. And politeness must equal oppression! Awww this is easy. Some arguments don't even need to make sense. Ask my grade schooler, she tries that kinda malarkey all the time. Though I guess it does work occasionally (see Clinton, Hilary re:Benghazi).
But I digress. I think the 15-25 yr age group just can't fathom that people don't really talk like an R rated movie in real life. I saw Scarface when I was a kid, but I didn't seem to affect how I spoke to my neighbors teachers or friends afterwards. Are today's youth truly that desensitized, or just callous and classless? Or has nobody been calling enough of them out to teach a few lessons in civility? It's not just on forums, unfortunately, the ignore button is needed. Handy invention where it does work though.
And thanks for the HOA reference...almost forgot to mow the lawn!

[fatelk]

Hitman, good post. Some people just don't get it, and never will. Simple, mature, voluntary civility has a place in a free society and has nothing to do with censorship or oppression. There will always be those who mistake a request for a little civility as judgment or personal attack, and inevitably respond with "puffy chested belligerence" and cries of oppression.

[Bzcraig]

Hitman.....does Thomas Hearns mind you using his handle? He is old now but I'd still want him on my side. Lol

[fatelk]

I always regret getting involved in contentious threads like this. I'm not an aggressive, contentious person by nature, and hate getting sucked in. It looks like any and all valid point have been made on this issue by many reasonable and intelligent people, so I will bow out. Egos get bruised, things get said, people get offended.

I believe that there is an "ignore" feature

Yes, I remember the epic thread about that. I believe I will find and use it now, for the first time ever.

[therealhitman]

BZcraig...I'm more worried about Brett Hart I think.

[Buck Neck It]

Navy Vet gets my vote! I like every thing that he writes.

Bible guys: Ya cain't smoke, drink, or cuss, but you can lie, cheat, and steal. Pray for your neighbors one day a week, prey on them the other six.

[NavyVet1959]

When I'm out in public and some ignoramous with low IQ and no class starts dropping F Bombs in front of my, and other people's, kids I wish there was an ignore button. Of course I can't see a post count in real life, but they usually look a decade or so younger than I (if that means anything). All I can do is try the "Watch the language there's kids here" but half the time they get puffy chested and belligerent and always risks the chance it escalates when they're in a group or if my temper snaps one on one. Am I attempting to censor in this instance? Or merely correcting an imbecile's witless shattering of decorum? Decorum must equal censorship. That's it. And politeness must equal oppression! Awww this is easy. Some arguments don't even need to make sense. Ask my grade schooler, she tries that kinda malarkey all the time. Though I guess it does work occasionally (see Clinton, Hilary re:Benghazi).
But I digress. I think the 15-25 yr age group just can't fathom that people don't really talk like an R rated movie in real life. I saw Scarface when I was a kid, but I didn't seem to affect how I spoke to my neighbors teachers or friends afterwards. Are today's youth truly that desensitized, or just callous and classless? Or has nobody been calling enough of them out to teach a few lessons in civility? It's not just on forums, unfortunately, the ignore button is needed. Handy invention where it does work though.

And I still say that it's not *what* you say, but rather *how* you say it in order to make it truly offensive. There's plenty of ways to insult someone without resorting to words that would get filtered by a net nanny and not everything filtered by a net nanny is necessarily insulting. One of the things that I've noticed over the years is that if you truly want to insult someone, you need to do it in their native language, not one of the other languages that they know. It just doesn't have the same effect if you cuss them in some other language, even if they know the words. As a sailor, I'm somewhat multilingual in cuss words -- English, Spanish, Italian, and Mandarin Chinese. It's just language, so why should the actual words cause offense -- it's the *way* that they are used that can cause offense -- if you do it *right*...

These threads all end the same way though... You have one group who oppose censorship out of principle and another group who wants to control what everyone says. Neither group is going to change their mind. Various people will end up with infractions for trying to discuss this "taboo" topic and eventually, the moderators will either close the thread or delete it.

I tend not to use words that will get filtered by the net nanny, but sometimes I slip up because each site prohibits different words. Words that you can hear on network television sometimes get censored by the net nanny on some sites.

[w5pv]

I try not to curse but I do at times.

I step unintenally on others feelings.

At the end of the day I do ask for forgivingness for my transgressions.

[joesig]

And I still say that it's not *what* you say, but rather *how* you say it in order to make it truly offensive.

Agreed but I'd like to think people on here aren't actively trying to be offensive.

I tend not to use words that will get filtered by the net nanny, but sometimes I slip up because each site prohibits different words. Words that you can hear on network television sometimes get censored by the net nanny on some sites.

This is very true! Some words are completely G rated but are blocked!

TV and movies add words just to push the envelope. For how many decades were these mediums free of such words and what was not entertaining about them? Ah but that is a topic for another thread.

[ballistim]

I agree with what Hamish said earlier regarding this being a private forum that we've agreed to the terms of service therefore censorship is not the issue regarding profanity. That being said, I'm not sure what you call it when someone is silenced, posts scrubbed, threads locked, members banned with little or no explanation or even allowing discussions regarding any of this.

Someone who's posted here and in other threads recently has caught my attention in that he sounds as if he's trying to become a moderator, even though it seems that moderation here recently and increasingly seems to have become a behind the scenes process with little or no explanation of reasons for actions taken, so if reading my comment here sounds like I'm talking about you and you're offended, you might want to ask yourself why.

[badgeredd]

I just read a response on a thread that began with the very condescending "Listen Buddy" that I found far more offensive than some mild profanity. The remainder of the response contained other wise remarks that others have been banned for !

Jerry

I am in total agreement Jerry! Tone often is far more offensive than mild swear words or words that some feel are crude.

Edd

[Love Life]

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