Cast Bullet Association Forum

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

I became a member before I moved to Idaho (summer of 1978).

They gradually shifted from 100% experimenters and guys like "old Frankly" to a rather stilted bunch that did not want the membership or public to learn any of their "secrets".

It should be renamed the "Swaged Bullet Assn." IMHO!

Rich

[Piedmont]

to a rather stilted bunch that did not want the membership or public to learn any of their "secrets".


Rich

Why does that sound familiar? Secret methods for results only they can get. Hmmmmm.

[Bret4207]

I stopped going there after one of their more famous posters/authors/big shots spoke of this site in such condescending terms that it actually shocked me. I had read everything this guy ever wrote and thought he was a decent person, not the flaming so and so he turned out to be. I don't want to give anything away, but his initials are Ed Harris.

[Sensai]

I used to be a member, I'm not a member any more. I don't talk bad about people, except to them directly.

[Pat I.]

They gradually shifted from 100% experimenters and guys like "old Frankly" to a rather stilted bunch that did not want the membership or public to learn any of their "secrets".

Rich

I find it funny you should say that when all the loading data and equipment information for military and regular matches is readily available on the CBA webite under Match Reports

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It doesn't cost anything to view the forum

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If you want to complain about talking bad do a search of CBA on this site and tell me what you think, including this thread.

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The forum is currently being moved to a new server which is why it's down for a bit.

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There's no secret methods or results only they can get. All you have to do is ask to find out what people are doing and the results aren't secret because they're shot in front of a group of people, scored in front of a group of people, and those results printed in the FS and posted on the internet so they can be viewed by any group of people who wish to look. Don't see many secrets there.

This isn't an us against them thing. We all have the same hobby some just put a little more effort and time into it and back up their claims on the line.

[Billwnr]

I find it funny you should say that when all the loading data and equipment information for military and regular matches is readily available on the CBA webite under Match Reports

And

It doesn't cost anything to view the forum

And

If you want to complain about talking bad do a search of CBA on this site and tell me what you think, including this thread.

And

The forum is currently being moved to a new server which is why it's down for a bit.

And

There's no secret methods or results only they can get. All you have to do is ask to find out what people are doing and the results aren't secret because they're shot in front of a group of people, scored in front of a group of people, and those results printed in the FS and posted on the internet so they can be viewed by any group of people who wish to look. Don't see many secrets there.

This isn't an us against them thing. We all have the same hobby some just put a little more effort and time into it and back up their claims on the line.

I agree with what Pat said. Also, I can't get in either. I shot small groups by accident before I joined the CBA and now with one rifle I expect it. Two 5 shot groups in registered competition below .3 and one 5 shot group at 200 yards that went .527" (also shot in a registered match).

[Outpost75]

I hang out here to help where I can, but most of my time here is spent gleaning the few good kernels out of a pile of warm manure.

I find the signal to noise ratio more favorable on the CBA forum and the regulars over there more than helpful and willing to share. Pat and the other CBA officials are good guys.

[Bret4207]

There was no need for Harris to diss this site Pat, none whatsoever. I take things like that as insulting as if he'd said it to my face. IIRC it was the "boolit" thing, from a man writing on the same pages as Uncle Frank Marshall?!!! No one used more "cutsie" terms than Uncle Frank.

[Char-Gar]

I am not a very competitive sort so see no use in an "us vs. them" kind of attitude regarding the two boards. I spend time on both and enjoy my time at both.

Cast bullet shooters own the CBA a big debt of gratitude for holding matches and taking bullet casting and shooting seriously before Al Gore ever dreamed up the WWW. There are many knowledgably people there and they have always been very helpful to new shooters. I have never detected any attitude of superiority or exclusivity there.

From time to time, I do see threads which turn to CBA bashing here, and always wonder what is behind that. I have never seem any substance to it, or at least it didn't ring true with my experience there.

This board has also made some very significant contributions to the craft and science of bullet casting. Some really creative and dedicated people were the founding planks here. Over the years it has grown to a tremendous size and one does have to know the players in order to strain out the BS from the good stuff. This is just a consequence of it's size.

Ed Harris has always been a gentleman and very generous with his experience and information. I hold him in high regard. He also has a sense of humor.

I have noted the CBA forums have more frequent technical problems, but even so it is far better than the Obamacare site.(-:

In short, I enjoy both sites and most of the people found on each one. I don't feel any sense of disloyalty for these feelings or feel the need to bash one or the other.

I have never been on3 who took to the "boolit" thing either. In fact this is the first time I have ever typed the word and have never spoken it either. I frankly think it is a mite silly, but have no objection if others want to use it. The use or non-use of that term is neither a test of eternal salvation nor friendship.

[cbrick]

Good Lord, an asteroid strike is better than the Obamacare site. However, on the bright side is that the Obamacare web site is to date the most workable part of Obamacare. But that's for another thread.

I've seen no animosity either on the CBA site or this site towards each other though I admit I spend little time there. No reason there should be, just pour a hot, shiny one and go to shooting.

Rick

[MattOrgan]

Wow. I find myself agreeing with CharGar The CBA sight is as big a benefit to this art as this one. Ed Harris is a gentleman and very free with his vast knowledge of casting and firearms. My dealings with Ed allowed me to get my 92 Winchester .38/40 shooting very accurately. I've saved lots of money using Ed's Red for 20+ years for guns and all sorts of things. Even if he was a jerk I'd still appreciate him for sharing the formula, but again he's not. He also sold me a barrel at a great price. I don't use the term "boolits" either and I don't begrudge anyone who does, I can't imagine anyone caring that I use the term cast bullet.On a per capita basis there are more snarky members here than the CBA, but it's stick and stones to me. I always read the harsh responses because I may learn something. I never learned anything talking or keyboarding.If you do have an issue why don't you try to deal with the person directly; at least through a PM. There are sites that I don't log onto because there are two or three people on them that try to run them like their own kingdom; there is no sharing and no learning. They know everything already.

[Nrut]

I actually like the CBA website..
And I completely agree with post 26 above..

Esp. this statement..

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There's no secret methods or results only they can get. All you have to do is ask to find out what people are doing and the results aren't secret because they're shot in front of a group of people, scored in front of a group of people, and those results printed in the FS and posted on the internet so they can be viewed by any group of people who wish to look. Don't see many secrets there.

This isn't an us against them thing. We all have the same hobby some just put a little more effort and time into it and back up their claims on the line.

[alamogunr]

I have enjoyed reading Ed Harris articles in "The Fouling Shot" and I guess I missed the one where he "dissed" this forum.

I would suggest that we have our share(or more) of curmudgeons on this board. Happily, they don't all take exception to something at the same time. There are some here that still bristle when a certain gunzine writer, whose initials are JT, is mentioned. I enjoy reading his stuff. Life is too short to miss out on something because of a row over a word(?).

A few days ago, I asked a question about the search function here. I was advised that a better way was to use Google and follow the term(s) being searched with "cast boolets". That phonetic spelling is useful and in more ways than one. I pronounce it bullet and on this site, I type boolet but it is bullet everywhere else. I'm sure Willie approves.

As far as the Cast Bullet Association is concerned, I managed to acquire all the back issues several years ago. There is a lot of good reading there. I will continue to be a member.

[mrbill2]

If you look my orignal post was started on 2/15/2011. I never thought it would last THIS LONG.

[Char-Gar]

If you look my orignal post was started on 2/15/2011. I never thought it would last THIS LONG.

I never noticed it was a resurrected thread. What a hoot!

[bhn22]

Well, they're having website problems again, it sounds like this time it's because they're upgrading, which is a very positive change. I am in almost total agreement with Charles, I do wish more CBA members would post these because many of them are the grand old (and not so old) men of reloading & casting. I'm not speaking out of turn here, we've discussed this on the CBA forum as well. As Pat mentioned, there are no secrets there, CBA makes competition results available, including the exact loads, rifles, bumping, lube, etc. Also little tidbits are given like range orientation, wind speed & direction and the like. There are some characters on the board, including one banned former member from here who can set me off like no other person has ever been able to. I discovered the beauty of the "ignore" button after one exchange. Hopefully he ignores me too. The CBA board is slow-paced compared to this one, but far more technical in some areas. There are still some techniques there that some swear by, but I cannot fathom why. And Ed Harris is a treasure. And I spell "bullet" the conventional way too. And, and...

[Bret4207]

I was a CBA member for many years. I was a member at the forum when they established it too. It was my idea to collect and publish all of Uncle Franks articles on the "Speaking Frankly" CD. It's not like I had any grudge- right up until the dissing incident. Sorry if it seems petty guys, but prior to that we were all sort of "in it together", heck they even banned Mr Data Miner like we did! It really saddened me to the disrespect shown to this site and the large chorus of voices joining in the feeding frenzy. Sad.

[Char-Gar]

Bret...I fail to see how not liking the term "boolit" is showing disrespect for this site. That is giving way to much importance to a very insignificant thing. We all have words and terms, that please us and others that don't please us. It should not be a dividing line between people with common interests and goals.

Ed Harris is a current and frequent poster here, although many don't recognize who he is. If he was severely torqued up about the term, he would not be here.

I am very glad Ed is here and I am very glad you have returned after a hiatus. You both have lots to offer to the new casters coming online.

"Why can't we just all get along"...Rodney King -

[alamogunr]

I discovered the beauty of the "ignore" button after one exchange. Hopefully he ignores me too. .

I have used the "ignore" button on occasion too. My problem is the "ignored" individual will post something and all I see is the reminder that he is on my list. My curiosity gets the better of me and I want to see what may have been posted that will tic me off again, so I remove the "ignore".

[Pat I.]

I have used the "ignore" button on occasion too. My problem is the "ignored" individual will post something and all I see is the reminder that he is on my list. My curiosity gets the better of me and I want to see what may have been posted that will tic me off again, so I remove the "ignore".

LOL!! So I'm not the only one.

Bret let me start off by saying it's good to see you posting again. As for anyone dissing this forum.....so what and it's not like you can claim it's a one way street. Sure there's some things I'd like to see happening on the CBA forum, participation being #1, but it's a good group of guys with a $#!& house full of knowledge and experience more than willing to share all their deep dark secrets if someone asks the questions. I don't know how many times I've heard the old "CBA are a bunch of elitist" nonsense both here and on the old Accurate Reloading site but I didn't let it bother me because it was being said by someone with absolutely no knowledge of what they were talking about apparently to stroke some inferiority complex they were stuck carrying around. That was their problem and I didn't make it mine. There's no competition going on and if there was this place would win hands down in the numbers game. The fact of the matter is there's room enough for both forums and if someone feels they'd be letting the home team down by visiting the other guy it's not like it's mandatory. As for myself? I moderate over there and really like the site. I like this one too so I'll visit both.