Need 41Mag 230 Keith Reload Info

[Scramjet]

Hello:
New to the 41 mag world. I picked up a Ruger 41 mag Bisley 5 1/2" brl, .409 Bore, .410 Throats, and am looking for some reload data for a Keith style 230 gr .411 dia.(have 400).

I have gone through the 47th Lyman, latest Lyman casting/reload, two Lee, Nosler,and Speer, reloading manuals of mine without any info regarding a 230gr .411 cast boolit.

I'm looking for loading data from target to start with leading to hunting. I have a lot of AA#9 (prefere to use up), 2400, and some Unique (seems to be a shortage around here). Primers consist of WLP, Fed #155, and CCI #300.

Any Help Will Be Appreciated,
Tom

[kweidner]

Mine cast 222ish so really close. My 200 grain loves 9.0 grains unique and my 220k (actually 222) likes 9.5. I have tried every powder in the many books in mine but to get into a no lead, accurate yet fast enough load for deer etc. my goto for my Dan Wesson 6" is unique. 2400 was ok. Both those loads l use are right at 1200 fps.

Stay under 10 gr and you will have no problems. lyman 3rd edition lists the 220 as a start of 8.1 and a max of 11.2. the 240gr has a start of 6.9 and a max of 10 with unique. 220 pill 2400 is start 15.7 and max 20.1. 240 pill is start 14 grains and max 18.5.

check this link 6 pages of 41 mag load data here. page 194 to 200.

http://www.castpics.net/project2/Cas...php?start=3921

[kweidner]

BTW welcome to the biggest cult of handgun cartridges. 41mag is my favorite.

[Scramjet]

LOL... Thanks kweidner! I'm finding out that this is a cult (nothing but experimental). I have a bunch of other Ruger's and S&W revolvers which have never encountered the difficulity of finding reload data!

I'm still at a loss. I have plenty of AA#9 which I have seen refrenced to in reload data but not in 230gr Keith style boolits. Apparently Unique is part of the recent "rush" of things I can't find it stocked at all.

With you're suggestions what primer do you run.

Tom

[kweidner]

any lpp. no magnum. I loaded yesterday with cci. sometimes winchester sometimes federal. all shoot the same for me. Was running those yesterday and was able to hit 10x 10 plate at 100 yds 36 out of 36 times. that armor plate is now hammer forged lol. Only two powders I haven't tried is aa9 and bluedot. My bbl shoots super fast. IIRC over 18 grains of 2400 was over 1300 fps with my 220k. Lead started appearing. 1200 seems to be the limit of this alloy ccw with this bbl.

[K-Rod]

I'll have to look when I get home to be sure but IIRC Lyman 49th Cast Book has the 220gr pill at 14.5gr start with a 16.2gr max with 2400. Like i said, I'll have to look when i get home to be sure. My go to load for the 220gr for my 6.5in BH is 15.3gr of 2400 with WLP. No help for AA#9.

[dakotashooter2]

http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

[felix]

12.5 BlueDot; 17.5 AA9; 225 grainer Lyman 220 Keith. ... felix

[jwp475]

Here they show #9 for a 240 grain starting at 14 grains and a high of 15.6 grains this should get you started

http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-con...d_data_3.5.pdf

[Scramjet]

Thanks guys, I'm looking at the Accurate Powder reload info using #9 for the 240 grain. I'll start at the recommended 14 grains (load 6), and load in groups of 6 more at a 2 grain increase up to 15 grains and see where that leads me. In the meantime I'll try getting some Unique where it's available. I will report the results.

Thanks everyone for the intro to the world of 41 mag! (excited to get going with this !
Tom

[jwp475]

I really like the 41 mag in fact I like the 41 more than I do the 44 mag

Good luck and I am sure that you will be very happy with the 41

[shorty500M]

aint near my old notes but remember trying 2400 and unique both when 1st got my 235grain Keith and 225g WFN molds but i settled on 20.5g of H4227 as gave best accurracy in my S&W

[Scramjet]

Dakotashooter2:
The handloads link lists the exact 230 grain bullet (dry creek bullet works bullet) that I am loading.
Again, Thanks everyone I couldn't have been reloading without all you're help!
Tom

[littlejack]

Looks like you have plenty of replies on your thread Tom. There's a great bunch of guys AND gals here, and most are eager to help.
I figured I would throw in what data I had in my older Lyman books up to my latest, to show the difference in the data as the years past. Some of these seem like they would be "HOT" loads, so all of the safety rules apply. Start low and work up, as you have stated.
These loads are from a S&W mod. 57 w/6" bbl.
My oldest Lyman (45th edition, 1970) has the Lyman 410426 240 grain rn listed as a max load of 2400 at 17.5 grains for 1169 fps.
Unique is listed at max at 8.5 for 1058 fps.

Next, the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook (1973) has the same 410426 bullet, with a max load of 2400 at 20 grains "compressed" for 1505 fps.
Unique, is listed with a max load of 10 grains for 1265 fps.

My latest (48th edition) doesn't list the 410426 boolit, as it was discontionued some years before.
It does however, list a Lyman 410610 swc gc bullet with a max load of 2400 of 16.2 grains of 1312 fps.
Unique max load is listed as 8.7 grains and 1111 fps.
So, as you can see, there are many variations in the load data, even with the same company publishing their data in updated manuals in different years. With different bullet and powder manufactureres, data is all over the place.
I have never used the AA#9 powder that you have, but there are many that do. I would use that powder for my, if I had it with no resevations at all.
The 48th Edition lists the 410410 bullet, (only 215 grains) with AA#9 starting at 15 grains for 1110 fps, and max load with 16.7 grains for 1343 fps.
I hope you have great results with your new toy.
This reloading data is not my own, and is for comparison only. It is not recommended by me or anyone else.
Reguards
Jack

[Scramjet]

Earlier in the thread I asked what primer to use with 41 mag loads. I used the any LPP suggestion will work so I started in with my load development loading from safe to near max #9, 2400, and Unique power charge sticking with a WLP. In the past load development always followed the suggested powder, primer data which leaves me confused and concerned. I looked up Priming And Pressures in August 2012 HandLoader No.279 Pg#18 by Brian Pearce which shows pressure can change as much as 10,000psi difference from one primer to another. Test constants used are a Large Frame Ruger 7 1/2"brl, Cal 45 Colt, 310 Mt. Baldy Keith Cast Bullet, Winchester cases, and 21.0 grains Enforcer powder.

Primer Velocity(fps) Pressure (psi)
CCI 350 1,352 35,950
Rem 2 1/2 1,238 23,990
Win LP 1,239 22,490
Fed 155 1,278 27,870
*Test data shows that in magnum revolvers primers can change pressure by as much as 10,000psi bringing me back to my original primer question.
Thanks,
Tom

[**oneshot**]

I've been using a federal large pistol primer(not magnum) for my aa#9 and 2400 loads.

[felix]

In fact, not fiction, the case is too small for a large pistol primer. The force given by the large primers is just too much. That case, and the 45acp case, have both been given the wrong primer size. Why this is so is prolly due to some unknown (by me) politics or expediency reasons. Converter rings, to be placed into the primer pockets, have been made at one time and perhaps still are. ... felix

[kweidner]

If running close to max, stick with the one you developed it with. I have never run into a sticky case except in a buddies 375 max using j words. More often than not my accuracy load is way under published max pressures. I find in my particular alloy, 1200 fps is about the threshhold until leading starts to appear. If you found your accuracy load at max pressure I certainly would stick to that primer and not be as quick to interchange. Just out of curiosity what did the primer cups look like? Where load wise did it start to get sticky? Could be a chamber thing.

[kweidner]

I just noticed. Look at the data you quoted on primers. Two are magnum. The others are not. The 350 is the one with a 10000 psi difference and the federal 155. Comparing apples and oranges here. The standards are within 600 psi.

[GLynn41]

hay felix --bout them primers-- now I will speak properly-- I had 41/44 Redhawk -- with a nice trigger for a Redhawk --in warm weather it ran wwlp fine but in cold nothing would work but Fed 155- because of light hammer fall--I really was not wanting mag primers--but backed into them by the gun yes I could have changed the spring --but liked the trigger-- the only result I saw was the max powder loads went down as did speed some from 1390's with a 255wlngc to 1320 fps with the same garage cast boolit -this was with AA#9 - had to drop a grain form 21.5 to 20.5.(rmember this a wildcat).. and it had to be 20.5 or less or the hulls would get sticky--I was puzzled at the time but horse traded into a different wild cat (41/454) and forgot about it .. that might be why the gun was a little slower at the end than when I first got it-- the six gun did fine I took a 250+# euro boar and several deer all with that slightly slower load -the 255s went all the way through the boar - anyway was thinking about what has been said about primers -certainly pay attention to them as they do change things
about the keith --+1 on the AA#9 load good shooter in my .41s with the .411 Saeco and 410459 and took my first deer with 20 gr of H110 and a 225gr 410459 -another good shooter -Speer did say use their 350 mag primer with it so i did--18 gr of the newer 2400 has always shot well 2