blackhorn 209 in a side lock?

[johnson1942]

has any one solved the ignition problem of blackhorn 209 powder in a side lock? ive got the 777 to shoot accurately in 2 guns but would try black horn 209 in a sidelock if it would go off as the others. thanks before hand

[deep creek]

duplex with black.

[johnson1942]

is their a danger problem? thats why i put the post up to see if others had done that safely? i know it is a good even pressure powder, 10 grains enough? more info please and thanks before hand.

[deep creek]

I was duplexing with 10 grns of black in my whites 97 just to see what it would do.it worked fine,BH just wasnt accurate with a 460 grn PP bullet.I was using 80grns bh 10grns black,no problem.I dont know what the differance would be in a sidelock.there wasnt any lag time no blow back.I liked it it just wasnt accurate with the bullet i wanted to use.

[mooman76]

Don't know if they still make them but they used to have an adapter so you could used 209 primers on sidelocks. Have you tried magnum #11 caps?

[johnson1942]

i have 209 conversion nipples on my sidelocks but blackhorn209 powder is very finiky even with them, if i get a few more responses to use 10 grains of black with out a danger behind 80 grains of blackhorn 209 i will try it as i know that will solve the problem. as far as accracy goes shooting it will prove that one way or another.i used duplex in my 45/70 with good results but that is another thing. keep the experiences comming in i want to learn all i can about this, thanks again.

[Underclocked]

I don't think it is worth the effort of trying as it almost a sure fail. Blackhorn requires a full strength 209 primer directed directly into powder for sure ignition. It also requires the load to be tightly compressed. GREAT powder if you can accomplish those two things. A sidelock's flame path is a bit torturous at best. BH209 also has a slight problem so far as clogging flame channels with a very hard carbon deposit. Such deposits could be extremely difficult to remove from a sidelock.

If I currently owned a sidelock, I would shoot Swiss 2 or 3 and be happy as a pig in chit. Swiss costs more, but certainly not more than BH209, and provides many of the same advantages as BH209. It's hotter, cleaner, very consistently metered, and capable of extremely accurate loads. Duplexing black behind a charge of BH209 seems to me to be negating any advantage of the BH209 while most likely retaining its drawbacks.

[mooman76]

Just curious but why the big effort for BH209 in a sidelock?

[johnson1942]

im a true user of real blackpowder. in a pinch blackhorn 209 is only 15 miles away and black is 150 miles away. also local inline shooters swear by its accracy over all the other subs. black will be my main powder but dont mind finding out about the rest.

[10 ga]

Measure your BH209 by volume and then find out what your charges are by weight. Then weigh all charges. 10 to 15 gr of "holy black" under the BH209 will give sure fire ignition of the BH209, sidehammer and inline, on sidehammer I use 4F for duplex and on inline use F, I use "Spitfire" nipples, mostly musket size, even on the rifles. Even loading sabots don't have to swab and clean. The duplexing even works on buddys "rock lock", he uses 4F black for pan and duplex. The BH209 is light for volume compared to black. IE... BH209 by volume 120gr. = 85gr. by weight. Yes it needs some compression on loading but with a tight patched roundball or sabot no ignition problems. With loose "belted" type bullets kinda iffy, but knurl them for tighter fit and good to go. Just my experiences with the BH209, your results may be different. $.02 worth! best to all, 10 ga

[freedom475]

You will abosolutely have ZERO problems with duplexing the 209 with 5-10gr. of Black. 209 is really fun powder.

But keep in mind that the 209 is HOT stuff...not even close to the usual "subs".

209 is awsome stuff in the inlines and even in centerfire cartridges. But is is so far beyond Pyrodex(ect.) that you will want to treat it with Much respect.

It is truly a smokeless alternative...Just as clean and it will not foul like BP or the subs. But don't mess around with it like you would true BP....this stuff works very well, but it is high powered stuff...just smell the jug and you will know you are dealing with Nitro-celulose...NOT sulfer/charcoal