grease cookies?

[catkiller45]

If I may ask--Has anyone tried that stuff they call
ox yoke bore butter for the cookies? I wondered how it would be in the heat
of the summer..John

[RMulhern]

I'd just as soon try biscuit dough!!

ML....maybe!!

[catkiller45]

Why did I know an answer like that would be coming?

So what would you suggest I use then....Thank You John

[Dan Cash]

Have to agree with Rick. I have used both and biscuit dough works better. Plain bees wax works as well today as it worked in the past. Paul Matthews suggests getting some new comb wax and pressing the case mouth through it. Quick, easy and reasonably uniform in thickness. Also, the wax won't melt into your powder and spoil the charge.

[6.5 mike]

Explain for a dummy, why wo'nt the wax melt into the powder?

[catkiller45]

So why wouldn't a double thickness of wax paper do the same thing?
When the bowder burns ,wouldn't it burn up the wax paper the same way?

[Old Goat Keeper]

The "wax" cookie is used in BP cartridges to help keep the fouling soft and not for protection of the boolit base. It also helps increase accuracy. Back in the day Sharps recommended using a lube cookie. It should be hard enough to be able to "cut" the cookie from a sheet of material using the brass' mouth like a cookie cutter. Junior Doughty has an article on his web sight www.castbullet.com describing how to make and use cookies. IIRC he uses bee's wax and pure lard heated and mixed for his cookies. Oh and he uses it in his BP loads for his 45-70. The bees wax/cookie will not contaminate the BP due to its higher melting temperature.

T-o-m

[catkiller45]

I would think all one needs is maybe a wad,like from a milk carton..If your loading and shooting why worry about the powder getting a little lube in it..If your ammo is,placed bullet down in a box..Seems there would be NO problem.Now if your gonna be storing it for a length of time then maybe..

[Dan Cash]

Explain for a dummy, why wo'nt the wax melt into the powder?

Melting point of bees wax is relatively high, similar to parafin. Ammo usually does not get that hot in storage. Also, there should be a fiber wad of some sort betweeen cookie and powder.

[RMulhern]

Why did I know an answer like that would be coming?

So what would you suggest I use then....Thank You John

Try ya some SPG! Look it up!

[Don McDowell]

If I may ask--Has anyone tried that stuff they call
ox yoke bore butter for the cookies? I wondered how it would be in the heat
of the summer..John

Keep in mind that anything that is loose or runny will/can contaminate the top of the powder charge, or worse yet soak up the patch on the bullet, that will make for some nasty leading and non existant acccuracy.
So if using a grease cookie it's best if it's a grease cookie sammich..

Sharps loaded their "hunting" ammo with a grease cookie, but they used only a card wad with match ammo as they recommended bore wiping.
Remington did not use a wad but did advocate lubing the patch with spremicetti. We can substitute jojoba oil today.
We can also replicate Sharps grease cookie by using beeswax and jojoba oil mixed.

[catkiller45]

If you're not concerned about your powder getting a little lube in it, then you're probably not concerned with weighing or otherwise measuring your powder charges, either. Because any powder that comes into contact with lube isn't going to burn. At least not like the rest of the powder, anyway. That means that particular cartridge isn't going to be predictable. Which means it ain't gonna be accurate. And iff'n it ain't gonna be accurate, why bother loadin' and shootin' it?

I did not see where anyone said anything about not having a over powder wad and then the lube on top of that....

It is stupid remarks like that from some people that drive away posters that want to learn about things' Ever think that some people don't quite follow the replies and may need a little more information befor grasping it....I was going to leave this board,but I am going to stay so I can learn from others that ARE willing to share some things and not listen to people like you with the stupid remarks..If I get kicked of here for this post,then it is alright as well.....John

[catkiller45]

well you miss understood what I said about if your gonna shoot them right away..I know you need a wad in there as I said about the milk carton wad.That has a wax on it or something like wax...If the bullets are stored with the lead down how is the lube gonna get into the powder with the wad in there...I just pisses me off when I am trying to learn something and people make comment like you..I weigh every charge..I don't even have a powder dispencer..Never needed one of them...So if I spoke out of turn while then I polly jize to you....Have a good night and I will be looking forward to more of your comment in the future....John lmao

[Longwood]

I would think all one needs is maybe a wad,like from a milk carton..If your loading and shooting why worry about the powder getting a little lube in it..If your ammo is,placed bullet down in a box..Seems there would be NO problem.Now if your gonna be storing it for a length of time then maybe..

I live in the desert.
I surely do worry about powder contamination in hot weather.
I would not use wax paper because of the parrafin on the paper.
I believe most paper milk cartons are coated with plastic.
I might try that

[catkiller45]

So why do you think I mentioned the milk carton wad..To protect the powder from the grease...I know very little about this stuff...I am ignorant as hell and I am having a learning diasbility as well...You make me feel so put down...But I don't care...Please forgive me....John

[catkiller45]

If I melt some crisco and let some felt wads soak in it for a while,will this make for a good crease cookie? I have a bunch of the wonder wads that appear to be some what dried out..Thanks

[catkiller45]

I aint gonna worry about the comments....I just like to experiment with everything..

Perhaps too much..lol So,what do you think of using the milk carton for a wad then over the powder? will this keep the lube from the felt wads from seeping into the powder,or do you have a better way? I am open to the ideas of others....John