cant shoot lead out of high power rifle

[cbunt1]

Thank you, BT! We've been reading through the stickies since we found this place. Of course, as I tell my students, repetition and asking for different perspectives is what makes learning happen. Plus, it's a lot to try to understand!

Indeed it is. The most important lesson I learned around here is that you should always question conventional wisdom, but within the bounds of good sense.

I for one appreciate all the various opinions around here...I tend to learn more from the discussions where nobody quite agrees than I do the ones where everyone's on the same page!

To the OP: Don't you wish you could have showed him how you can not only shoot cast in modern rifles, but *GASP* in GLOCKS with their notorious rifling?

[Armorer]

[QUOTE=Recluse;Fine with me. More primers, powder, brass and components for me--not to mention more wheelweights and lead.[/QUOTE]

Exactly what I was thinking!

[nes4ever69]

To the OP: Don't you wish you could have showed him how you can not only shoot cast in modern rifles, but *GASP* in GLOCKS with their notorious rifling?

i do belive he was just shy of saying the bullets would vaperize in the barrel. the best part was lead bullets dont have the power of jacketed. that is were i said yep, have a nice day.


my favorite are the people who say that cleaning lead out of the barrel is a pain. the fun part is telling them that copper is a pain to clean out.

i am one to that will inform people who want to know, but when they have no intention, forget it. just go yep and walk away going ha ha ha in my head.

[Bambeno]

[QUOTE=i am one to that will inform people who want to know, but when they have no intention, forget it. just go yep and walk away going ha ha ha in my head.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you there! I enjoy it when people want to learn but have found with the ones who just know better that it is hard for someone watching to tell who the idiot is when you argue with one.

What shop you at up in the city, might have to drop in sometime I get up there?

[ihmsakiwi]

I love these stories. The big secret is to console the poor soul whose tale of cast is so woeful and agree that jacketed is the best way forward. Oh, and by the way, would you like me to get rid of the horrid old lead for you and your moulds etc?

A bit ahead of you there, I got his Lyman 20lb pot, three RCBS 7mm moulds and one 30cal mould.
Had to agree with him about it being best he sticks to jacketed.

[nes4ever69]

What shop you at up in the city, might have to drop in sometime I get up there?

bass pro shop in independence. work in the maintenance department.

[Bambeno]

I will have to give you a hollar the next time I make it up there, need to do some Christmas shopping soon anyways lol.

[curator]

Ol' Abe Lincoln said it best: "Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt," I am constantly reminded of this when I do business at Bass Pro or one of the local gun shops. For someone to actually learn they must admit the need to know. That is particularly difficult when one is already an expert.

[Hammer]

i was talking to a customer and he said he wanted to get back in to reloading to save money on good ammo. i told him that is a good thing to do and to save even more money you can cast your own.

he decided to warn me that high power rifles are unable to shoot lead bullets due to the fact that lead can not handle the velocities that a jacketed bullet can and that makes lead bullets very dangerous to shoot out of high powered rifles.

Look at the bright side - He won't be trying to scrounge our lead.....

[old turtle]

Just how did the people 200 years ago kill deer. I guess they used those long rifles to club them to death. I like to shoot cast as it much easier to clean the rifle. I have never had a leading problem and have shot every thing from softer than ww's to Linotype.
I do not cast for pistols and I wanted some lead loads for a 38 Spl. revolver. When I ask at a local gun shop if they had any lead, I was told that it will ruin the gun. On inquiring why I was told that you can not clean it. When I said thats what we have brushes for, I was told it would destroy the chamber. How do you deal with that, I left. Many black ugly rifles were present in the racks.

[Shiloh]

Let them shoot J bullets. There is already enough pressure on lead sources.

There are some folks out there who just don't want to be confused by the facts. Their minds are made up.

Shiloh

[Ole]

Heck that means less competition for our dwindling lead supplies.

Let them stay ignorant as far as I care.

[frkelly74]

You Know, when their mind is made up they don't want to be confused with facts.

[Hickory]

Well I, was told this weekend at a IHMSA shoot by a very experienced shooter who has gone 100% back to jacketed bullets due to leading (100% lino is what he used) that apparently boolits need to be as hard or as close to copper in hardness. Tell me it ain't so!!

I aquired a couple hundred pounds of linotype a long time ago and thought I could drive them faster than W-Ws in my 30-30.

The first 3 rounds shot good, and after that the group got larger and larger.
After a short shooting session (30 rounds) I checked the bore. It seemed to be loaded with lead.

I scrubbed it out and shot some of my W-W loads the shot as good as ever with no leading. The boolits were the same Lyman 311291. With the Linotype boolits going about 1800 fps and the W-W traveling around 1600 fps.

[Shiloh]

You Know, when their mind is made up they don't want to be confused with facts.

Nope.

Like Ronald Reagan said once about liberals, "They know so much that isn't so." Same with those biased against cast. Fine with me.

Shiloh

[1Shirt]

Like Dad always said, "Hain't nothin more rightous than a reformed prostitute!". Unless maybe in this day and age when there is nothing more intellegent than the gun "enthusiast" who has never shot a cast bullet. Always enjoy running into them at the range when they have a jacketed target with say an 06 that runs a group of 5-6", and I am sitting there shooting well under 3" groups with cast and Iron sights, and old eyes.
1Shirt!

[dicko]

Ahh, c'mon Hurricane, live a little. The '06 can be far better than that with cast boolits of the hunting grade, 22-2400 fps is quite doable from a ten-twist sporter with fine accuracy if you get beyond the preconceived and false limits put upon it by many of the cast reloading books.

Gear

I agree. 1600FPS has long been the rule of thumb max for plain base, but 2400 for gas checked. To elaborate a little, I have done a good bit of testing for a book I'm hoping to write. I have started by testing for max MV before leading becomes a problem. I have been using a Sako in 308 Win. Leading is negligible at 1600, but quite heavy at 1800. That confirms the old rule of thumb, but of course a bit more might be possible in another rifle.

I have chronographed 2400FPS with 180 grain gas checked, no leading at all. I have no doubt that faster is possible, and I have reliable reports of 2700. But be aware that accuracy tends to fall off quite a lot at the high velocities. I have not yet tested that, beyond trying to aim decently. On that basis, my plain base loads at 1600 and gas checked at 2400 have been within 2.50MOA. That is not great accuracy, but remember that I was not going for best accuracy. I am confident that I will get 1.50MOA, and with GC loads at 1600FPS I have gotten MOA often enough to suggest that with better shooting on my part, MOA could be regular with that load.

Remember also that there is some evidence that GC bullets a slightly more accurate, if all else is equal, but is not guaranteed.