Remington Under Fire

[NWFLYJ]

I did not get a chance to take in the CNBC report, I'm hoping somebody on here did.
My wife gave me one of these all dolled up with a bull barrel, scope, extended bolt handle, bipod, ect....for my birthday. I own lots of other long guns but have never owned a Remmy.
My gut feeling goes back the "Don't let your sights cover a target you are not willing to destroy" rule. I read something on a Google search that they interveiwed the designer of the trigger and he had recommended changes early on.
I just spent an hour trying to trick mine into doing it, and I could not make it fail. Any thoughts? Mark

[Artful]

I own a 700V that's over 20 years old and it's never messed up on me.

here's a link of the stink
http://www.clickondetroit.com/money/...38/detail.html

but the biggest problem I have seen with guns going off is the person who "adjusted" the trigger to his liking - usually way off factory spec's

[Potsy]

I watched about 5 minutes of it. I was watching something else and caught a few minutes of it during commercials.
When I watched it, they were talking about the Marine Snipers having an issue with it (I was under the impression that their triggers were either aftermarket, or worked over) and police departments having issue with it (considering the number of AD's cops have with Glocks and other firearms too complicated for "C-Stringers", I'm not surprised).
Couldn't force myself to watch it. More CNBC bunk.

Plus, I was interested in what to do in case a virus turns everyone into flesh eating zombies so I was watching "28 Days Later".

[winelover]

I watched it and what I got out of it was that 700's made since 1982 have the improved trigger and SHOULD be fine! I don't own any Remington Bolt guns anyhow. Only Winchesters and Rugers. They could have corrected the SUSPECTED problem years ago for 5.5 cents per rifle but the BEAN COUNTERS said NO!! TYPICAL!!! Recalls , would cost the company about 22 million in the 90's and over $100 per gun today!!!! They made over 5 million guns.

Winelover

[exile]

I watched about 10 or 15 minutes of it (all that was left once I caught it). I have never owned a Remington 700. That being said, it seemed to me that some of the statements I heard were misinformation (particularly regarding the rules of gun safety). They also stated that "no gun company had ever done a recall on a gun"., and that the gun industry was less regulated than other industries. It seemed to me to be the typical MSM propaganda regarding the firearms industry.

It seems to me that if they can defeat one gun company they can defeat them all. To date, my rifles have been Savage, Winchester, Marlin and Ruger, but I felt the desire to purchase a Remington, just to say, "take a hike".

If the Remington 700 has such issues,and has had for years, why would law enforcement and the military gravitate so strongly towards the Remington 700?

As usual, I regret it every time I turn on the television.

exile

[300winmag]

I have a serious collection of the 700's from 30 years ago to current. small to large calibers, never any issues at all. if there was it was no fault of the rifle.
the golden rule KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER TILL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE
300 winmag

[Heavy lead]

I've many 700's and have had more, and will have more. I'm very dissappointed in this cow pile from CNBC, up until now for the most part they differ greatly from MSNBC, this whole story is full of holes and is nothing but left wing propeganda. Have I had a 700 go off when I moved the safety to fire? Yup, BUT the muzzle was in a safe direction AND I messed with the trigger, I'm much better at adjusting them now, hasn't happened since, BUT if it DOES the damn muzzle will be in a safe direction, same with my Winchesters, Rugers, Savages and all the rest, cause they all can/will/might do it.

[mike in co]

same stories rehashed every several years or so...nothing new...must be a slow news week.
or as close to an anti gun the weak kneed liberal press can come up with wiht thier current limp demorcates..

[rbuck351]

I have one of the first 223 700Vs that hit the market. I had it fire when the safety was pushed off. As it was pointed where I was going to shoot it made little difference except I missed my shot. Then when when the bolt was cycled the sear wouldn't reset unless the safety was on first. Then would fire when the safety was taken off. Cleaning the trigger fixed it.

[Lloyd Smale]

ive used more 700 over the years then all the other bolt guns combined and i have NEVER had any problem like that other then when i myself fooled with the trigger and have never had one go off because i make darned sure there safe after i adjust them. Bench rest shooters have used that trigger for years and used it ajusted down to ungodly low pull weights and ive never heard of an accidentle discharge on the line and if they did happen im sure they wouldnt be allowed in any competition. The problem comes from idiots that dont know what there doing turning those screws.

[scb]

This is an old, old story. The first one I can remember was some lawyer in Texas was shot by his kid. He was sitting in the front seat of the car. The kid was in the back. This happened, I think, in the late 70's early 80's. The jury awarded the old man (who wasn't killed but lost the lower part of his spine) a couple of mill and I believe Remington appealed it. Don't know what the final outcome was. All of these cases of course come down to the same thing, improper gun handling - period. But some ambulance chaser or anti gun group (like CNBC) gets a hold of the grieving family and tells them that it's really not their fault and they need to punish the people "responsible". I think for the principles involved it has a lot more to do with absolution of guilt than any monetary gain. And it's not just Remington. I've seen M70s' go off when you flip the safety off. Why do you think Ruger still to this day is retro-fitting their old SA's with transfer bar systems. Or Marlin and Winchester added those stupid cross bolt safeties. The Winchester M100 recall of a rifle that had been out of production for almost 20 years was caused by one of these frivolous litigation's. They are all mechanical systems and as such can be subject to failure. Thats why, as we all know, you "never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy". It is also the responsibility of the person holding the firearm to know what is going on around them. It's a tragedy that that woman killed her kid, but she is the only one responsible. Does anyone think this story would have seen the light of day if the rifle involved had been an old M98 Mauser, and yes I've seen them do it as well.

[123.DieselBenz]

More here : http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=96177 up in shooters . . .

[Marine Sgt 2111]

Every 700 that I own (3 right now) have all gotten the standard treatment by me: bolts lapped, raceways lapped, cocking ramp and sear polished and trigger "adjusted" to no creep, 24oz of pull, and little to no backlash. Not one of them has ever misfired. If you set the sear engagement to a point it's barely engaging..yes you will have problems. Someone tinkered with those triggers...

[sturf]

Did you notice the way the narrator was holding the rifle at the very first scene? With HIS FINGER ON THE TRIGGER the whole time. Very knowledgeable about firearms.

[chris112]

NWFLYJ, If you have one with the new trigger it shouldn't have the problem. The old one, however, are a different story. To check the old ones; close the bolt on an empty chamber, set safety, then try to lift the bolt. If you can it has either been fixed or the trigger changed out. If you can't lift the bolt then the rifle has the orginal trigger and needs to be fixed.

As for the bubbaed up triggers. If you have to send the rifle into Remington they automatically check the trigger, if it is an aftermarket or adjusted out of spec they just put on a new trigger and bill you for the "service". Not hard to figure out their thinking. They have a certain degree of liablity and don't want to get sued because of someone that doesn't really know what they are doing adjusting the trigger to an unsafe point.

[rbuck351]

The trigger on my 700 has never been altered in any way and still has the factory paint on the screws. It discharged when the safety was let off because dirt/crud had built up in the trigger until the sear would not hold properly. That was my fault for not cleaning it. Had I shot someone or something that i did not want to, that also would have been my fault. The point here is that this can happen with unaltered triggers and that only safe gun handling can prevent these kinds of "accidents".

[fatelk]

I've had one go off before, but like a lot of you guys I had improperly adjusted the trigger.

I have some friends that hunt with model 700s and model 7s. They have had their rifles go off several times, and the triggers were never messed with. What they had done every year, though, was clean and oil their rifles after hunting season, then stick them in the closet butt down. Any extra solvent or oil would run down into the trigger, along with any grit or grime along the way, and congeal in the mechanism.

The worst one was last year, in a rifle that had been sitting for a couple years. I had to take the trigger completely apart and clean it. They were ready to get rid of all their Remingtons and buy something else. I showed them a better way to clean the rifle.

All that said, apparently there have been cases of rifles with clean, factory adjusted triggers that have had this problem. I have never seen that myself.

[snowwolfe]

I used to own many Remingtons but sold off the last one about 10 years ago. Had one go off when releasing the safety at the range and difficulties with ice freezing inside the trigger housing when hunting in sub freezing wet weather. They might be a fine rifle for good weather but I'll never own another.
Make mine Win 70's or Rugers.

[500bfrman]

NWFLYJ, If you have one with the new trigger it shouldn't have the problem. The old one, however, are a different story. To check the old ones; close the bolt on an empty chamber, set safety, then try to lift the bolt. If you can it has either been fixed or the trigger changed out. If you can't lift the bolt then the rifle has the orginal trigger and needs to be fixed.

could you please clarify. "it has been fixed"

[leadman]

My friend had his 700 go off when he pushed the safety to off. No one was hurt. Bad part he was inside his 5th wheel trailer and blew a hole in the side! Was not the best place to unload his gun.
Gunsmith he took the rifle to said it had a worn part in the trigger.
I watched the show on tv and the one rifle would go off after the trigger was pulled with the safety on, then the safety pushed off.
I had given my father's 700 to my son several years ago. He stopped by Timney and boght a replacement trigger for it. I think this is a good move.

All of the "accidents" on the show could have been prevented by pointing the muzzle in a direction that a discharge would have done no damage.