Maybe common sense and Washington, DC

[Gohon]

The information I read indicated that the court found the bullet ban to be a conflict of interest with the second amendment.

No it did not.........the second amendment had nothing to do with dropping the petition.

[mastercast.com]

No it did not.........the second amendment had nothing to do with dropping the petition.

Perhaps that is true,(I do not agree with that) but it had everything to do with the right to own fireams. If we are not able to possess or buy lead based traditional ammunition, the price will be so high that we will no longer be able to shoot with enough volume to remain proficient. Those that are on the low end of the pole with regard to affording ammo, would not be able to purchase it. Gun control with regard to the cost of ammo. They do not have to ban guns, they can raise the cost of ammunition to the point that none of us can afford to feed our guns. They can ban reloading ammo, they can ban possession of powder(good Lord that might be used tomake a bomb), they can ban sale and possesion of lead bullets, they can ban sale and possesion of lead, they can ban possesion of any type of ammo, they can make you turn in all ammo that you have that does not have a "micro-stamp" on the case or bullet, etc.. All by a a signature on a document by the Muslim in the White House.

Please wake up.

[Gohon]

Originally Posted by Gohon
No it did not.........the second amendment had nothing to do with dropping the petition.

Perhaps that is true,(I do not agree with that) but it had everything to do with the right to own fireams. If we are not able to possess or buy lead based traditional ammunition, the price will be so high that we will no longer be able to shoot with enough volume to remain proficient. Those that are on the low end of the pole with regard to affording ammo, would not be able to purchase it. Gun control with regard to the cost of ammo. They do not have to ban guns, they can raise the cost of ammunition to the point that none of us can afford to feed our guns. They can ban reloading ammo, they can ban possession of powder(good Lord that might be used tomake a bomb), they can ban sale and possesion of lead bullets, they can ban sale and possesion of lead, they can ban possesion of any type of ammo, they can make you turn in all ammo that you have that does not have a "micro-stamp" on the case or bullet, etc.. All by a a signature on a document by the Muslim in the White House. Please wake up.

All of what you say is true as far as the groups that submitted the petition for the ban on lead bullets, but the last couple of lines only shows paranoia from listening to internet keyboard Rambos. However........by law when all the paper work submitted is correct the EPA must receive and review. They must also notify the public of the petition and ask for public comment. All this they did according to law. Didn't mean they were going to accept and implement anything. The EPA didn't initiate and submit the request to themselves nor did the White House. It was a bunch of anti hunting anti gun groups. Then when it was pointed out to the EPA that they didn't have the authority to implement such a ban even if they wanted to, they notified the petitioners and closed the petition.

Again......the second amendment didn't have a thing to do with the EPA closing the petition request.

People wonder why a lot of congressmen don't respond to some of their constitutes questions and letters........well here is a good example. You're right, please wake up and learn the facts or at least how deep the water is before diving in head first.

[Fixxah]

Ted Kennedy (God torture his soul) was always looking to screw gun owners using the killings of his brothers as a reason. I distinctly remember his trying to pass enormous tax increases and "taggarts" on ammo. Glad this is a rallying cry of sorts. Thanks for carrying on.

[Meatco1]

I too am happy to be kept abreast on these topics!

Respects,

Richard

[MtGun44]

Gohon is exactly right on how it went down.

I stand by my point that common sense NEVER enters into anything that the EPA
does, and the mistaken belief that it might happen sometimes is taken only at
one's peril.

Understanding your enemy is critical to defeating them. It is very important to understand
that they will NOT just some day "see the light". They are implacably dedicated to destroying
modern industrial capitalist society under the guise of "saving the environment". The only
way to change this is to rewrite the laws that empower the EPA so that they limit them.

We have already made MASSIVE improvements in the primary pollution sources that used to
befoul our air and water. Do we want to stop and reverse this excellent progress towards
clean water and air? OF COURSE NOT, but the ever tightening regulation of everything - far
below the levels that have been shown to cause any harm is a guranteed road to bankruptcy
and destruction of our lifestyle.

An example is lead in berms at ranges. Study after study has proven that this lead is NOT
mobile and does not foul the ground water. The does not stop the antigun activists from
raising this again and again.

I am all for clean water and air, but there are rational limits on what is necessary for health
and safety. EPA bureacrats do NOT see this. When they get a new machine that can measure
1000 times smaller concentrations of something - they want to regulate it down 1000 times
lower. This is insane. At some incredibly low level, they can find ANY sort of chemical in
ANY place. The fact that it is such a tiny amount as to be totally irrelevant and harmless will
never be told - just the scare headline " Chemicals found in drinking water" or "Children's
blood contaminate with ABCDFR2!" I'm all for proper safety regulations, but if something
is harmless at the parts per billion level, I do not care if it is found at that level in some
place like drinking water or the air.

Sorry for the rant, but these non-scientific fools are creating huge hidden damage in our society
under the claim of "saving it". They are primarily interested in saving their jobs, creating
power and forwarding their marxist agenda.

Bill

[mpmarty]

The solution is coming in about six weeks. VOTE THEM OUT! VOTE EVERY LAST ONE OF THE SOBS OUT OF OFFICE. It would be a good idea to re-write the rules for ex-congressmen and strip them of their pension for life they now enjoy. Give them social security like the rest of us and call it good enough. See what they figure out to fund it then.

[whisler]

mpmarty: AMEN!!!