Full Auto

[Jason30-30]

I have noticed full auto trigger assemblies being sold as parts all over the internet. Lets say i had a sem-auto Uzi, if i were to take the semi-auto trigger group and swap it for the full auto trigger assembly would it become a machine gun?

Im just curious i DO NOT plan On doing this i know its EXTREMLY ILLEGAL.

[Hickory]

Sounds like an entrapment scheme by the ATF

[Jim]

Did any of the ads require a Class III to purchase? A link would be helpful.

[Jason30-30]

No They Didnt Require Anything They Would Ship It To Your House. It Isnt A reciever Just The Trigger Housing For An Uzi Let Me See If I Can Post A Link

[oneokie]

FYI, simple possession of any of the FA fire control parts and a gun that they fit is considered a free trip up the river.

[fishhawk]

even if the "parts" are not assembled into a gun just the possession of said parts according to the ATF is possession of a machine gun. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 ft Pole or a 12 ft German for that mater! steve k

[Jason30-30]

I Was Also Wondering About The Legallity Of It.

Heres A Link To One On Gunbroker:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=268465926

[Jason30-30]

And Heres Another One:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=268527254

[rodsvet]

The weapon will not fire full auto by just changing the grip housing. FA Uzi's fire from an open bolt. Your weapon fires from a closed bolt. Now if you have the FA top and spring assembly plus a FA bolt that has been grooved to fit your receiver then you can assemble a full auto. It will be GOODBYE for at least 10 years federal and any additional years your state wants to add. Don't buy the housing!! Full auto just wastes rounds and costs money even if it was legal. Just my .02 Rod

[Jason30-30]

The weapon will not fire full auto by just changing the grip housing. FA Uzi's fire from an open bolt. Your weapon fires from a closed bolt. Now if you have the FA top and spring assembly plus a FA bolt that has been grooved to fit your receiver then you can assemble a full auto. It will be GOODBYE for at least 10 years federal and any additional years your state wants to add. Don't buy the housing!! Full auto just wastes rounds and costs money even if it was legal. Just my .02 Rod

I Dont Even Own An Uzi & Did NOT Plan On Buying It I Was Just Asking Out Of Curiosity.

[nicholst55]

The ATF made the manufacturers of submachine guns alter the design of them to prevent such conversions before they were allowed to market the semi-auto versions in the US. There were so many early MAC-10 semis being illegally converted to full auto that the ATF made the various manufacturers completely redesign that gun a couple of times, IIRC.

[Boerrancher]

I try to avoid even viewing anything that might be remotely illegal. The way the Patriot Act is written you PC is an open book to the feds now, and I in no way want to do anything that could remotely give them probable cause. View too may full auto parts on the internet and a red flag goes up with your name on it.

Many folks tell me I am too paranoid, but I would rather be safe than sorry. I know how these people work when they have an anti gun Attorney General with their back. I saw first hand how things went down when Janet Reno was the boss and it made me ill inside. Now with the internet and the Patriot Act it has become a hundred times easier for the innocent firearms owner to be harassed by the feds.

Best wishes,

Joe

[John Ross]

Most of the legit ads for Full Auto-specific parts are aimed at people who own legal full autos: SOTs such as myself, and owners of tax-paid FAs on a Form 4.

The negative responses you have received here are the unfortunate consequence of ATF's habit of mounting "sting" operations at gun shows to entrap unsuspecting gunowners into saying something that could be construed to be "conspiring to violate federal firearms laws."

If you are genuinely interested in full auto design, your best bet is to do research that does not involve anything other than reading. I know it's harsh, but NO ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT DESIGN has become the default standard in this area.

If this seems like too much work, move on.

Final tip: The more times you say something like "Geez, I have NO INTENTION of doing anything or breaking any law, I was just curious," the more you will be suspected of being an ATF informant trying to get them to reduce a potential sentence for something stupid you did by handing them a bunch of other "conspirators."

The BEST post you could possibly make would be to say "Thanks for the great advice! I had NO IDEA I was such a fool that I would risk going to prison for conspiracy. Thanks for helping me avoid disaster in my life."

[Boerrancher]

Most of the legit ads for Full Auto-specific parts are aimed at people who own legal full autos: SOTs such as myself, and owners of tax-paid FAs on a Form 4.

The negative responses you have received here are the unfortunate consequence of ATF's habit of mounting "sting" operations at gun shows to entrap unsuspecting gunowners into saying something that could be construed to be "conspiring to violate federal firearms laws."

If you are genuinely interested in full auto design, your best bet is to do research that does not involve anything other than reading. I know it's harsh, but NO ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT DESIGN has become the default standard in this area.

If this seems like too much work, move on.

Final tip: The more times you say something like "Geez, I have NO INTENTION of doing anything or breaking any law, I was just curious," the more you will be suspected of being an ATF informant trying to get them to reduce a potential sentence for something stupid you did by handing them a bunch of other "conspirators."

The BEST post you could possibly make would be to say "Thanks for the great advice! I had NO IDEA I was such a fool that I would risk going to prison for conspiracy. Thanks for helping me avoid disaster in my life."

This is the best advice I have seen in a long time on a forum when it comes to dealing with FA parts. Thank you JR for your great advise. As I mentioned above I avoid anything remotely resembling FA parts both on the web and at gun shows simply because of the ATF's habits.

[Haggway]

Most of the legit ads for Full Auto-specific parts are aimed at people who own legal full autos: SOTs such as myself, and owners of tax-paid FAs on a Form 4.

The negative responses you have received here are the unfortunate consequence of ATF's habit of mounting "sting" operations at gun shows to entrap unsuspecting gunowners into saying something that could be construed to be "conspiring to violate federal firearms laws."

If you are genuinely interested in full auto design, your best bet is to do research that does not involve anything other than reading. I know it's harsh, but NO ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT DESIGN has become the default standard in this area.

If this seems like too much work, move on.

Final tip: The more times you say something like "Geez, I have NO INTENTION of doing anything or breaking any law, I was just curious," the more you will be suspected of being an ATF informant trying to get them to reduce a potential sentence for something stupid you did by handing them a bunch of other "conspirators."

The BEST post you could possibly make would be to say "Thanks for the great advice! I had NO IDEA I was such a fool that I would risk going to prison for conspiracy. Thanks for helping me avoid disaster in my life."

As said befor me. This is probably some of the best advice about this topic.
I have gotten to speak with people the ATFE have charged with just "intent" . Those people spent lots of money and a long time fighting the charges to prove they were innocent.

[EMC45]

I believe the BATFE calls it "constructive intent".

[Tazman1602]

.....and what you need in this case is "Plausable deniability"........

[GabbyM]

It states in the add the item must ship to an FFL.
Suppose they could have stated class III but isn't that pretty obvious.

[gnoahhh]

I knew a guy years ago who bought a couple of Sten parts kits, then proceeded to build them into functioning sub guns. It didn't take long for the Feds to show up on his door step.

[GabbyM]

I knew a guy years ago who bought a couple of Sten parts kits, then proceeded to build them into functioning sub guns. It didn't take long for the Feds to show up on his door step.

Fo Shour:

What’s that TV show? Dumbest criminals?

About ten or fifteen years ago the local KKK down around Litchfield Illinois.
Got the great idea to video tap there shooting of full auto M-60 machine gun and other toys they had built from scratch. Not conversions they just built them. Some people may find that confusing but I’m a machinist by trade and let me clue you in. There is nothing special about a gun over any other machine. Gi M-60 is almost $3M from the assembly line but some racist with cash could pay two or three times that and a fellow would only need to make one every couple months to make a living. I think these guys just did it themselves for fun. But then they posted the video on the internet. DUGH. Feds rightly raided there homes and found the MG’s then proceeded to send them up for around twenty years. These are the guys that would march in there white robes with no mask in our state capitol. Not like they were not already on a watch list. Then they post this on the web. And for what?