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    Quote Originally Posted by zxcvbob View Post
    Has anyone tried Future® floor wax as a boolit lube/coating? (it's not really a wax, it's a water-based strippable acrylic) It also goes by the names "Klear", and "Pledge Premium Finish".
    Not on boolits, but I've thought about it and at one time checked the MSDS trying to get an idea of what it was. I think after getting a better idea of what it was I decided not to try it.

    You have me thinking about it now, though. I remembered that when I was a kid my father and I enjoyed making rubber band pistols, and eventually got very fancy with them, making full-sized models with working internals and using a falling pin as the release mechanism. All of them were made from pine with hardwood working parts. The part of interest here is that we developed ways to finish the wood so it would look like metal, and the best finish we got was using Future floor wax, bluing (like the stuff old ladies use in their hair), and powdered graphite. We also made a "brown" finish using just the floor wax and "red oxide" concrete pigment. The finishes were thin, very durable, and easy to apply. Might work for boolits with the graphite added, or plain. That floor finish will stick to anything.

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    Bullet Master Lube is Sandstrom Products 47A dry film lubricant.

    Sandstrom doesn't make 47A anymore, but they have very similar products.

    I tried Sandstrom 28A dry film lubricant, I bought the air dry spray can version.

    I cleaned and degreased the 9mm 147gr. cast boolits with Naphtha as Sandstrom recommended.

    I sprayed a thin coat of 28A on the 9mm 147gr. cast boolits and let them fully cure for 24 hours. It drys to the touch in about a minute.

    I resized the cast boolits with my Star sizer after the boolits were fully cured.

    When the 28A dry film lubricant is fully cured you can not scratch it off the cast boolits, it is tough stuff.

    I loaded the 9mm 147gr. cast boolits with 3.8gr of WSF.

    I fired 100 rounds of the 9mm 147gr. coated boolits.

    The smoke was about the same as jacketed bullets, there was very little smoke.

    There was not any leading or fouling in the barrel.

    I pushed one cleaning patch down the bore and the bore looked like I didn't even fire a round.

    The accuracy was very good, it was the same as my regular cast boolits.


    Now for the down side of coating the cast boolits with Sandstrom 28A.

    (1) It's hard to evenly coat the cast boolits.
    (2) There is a lot of wasted product when spraying the boolits.
    (3) You have to spray the cast boolits outside, there is MEK in the product.
    (4) Sandstrom 28A is very expensive, $33 a can shipped.

    There are other ways to coat the cast boolits with Sandstrom, but not at a do it at home budget.

    Dip spinning is the preferred method.

    (1) Dip spinning, no waste of product.
    (2) Dip spinning, Volume. ( You can do a few thousand at a time.)
    (3) You can by the Sandstrom Products by the gallon, it is cheaper by the gallon.

    A Dip Spinning machine starts at $18,000.


    It was a fun experiment and I hope it helps out others.

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    My mate casts bullets for a living and tumbles them in a cement mixer, pouring the 'paint' on as they roll around until the colour of the bullets look ok. They look as good as any other commercial coated bullets. I don't know how he gets them to dry, I must have a look next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Four Fingers of Death View Post
    My mate casts bullets for a living and tumbles them in a cement mixer, pouring the 'paint' on as they roll around until the colour of the bullets look ok. They look as good as any other commercial coated bullets. I don't know how he gets them to dry, I must have a look next time.
    Hmm, many of us have rotary tumblers laying around. (wifey use to do rocks) If the price of the ingredients got low enough, I wonder if the tumbler would work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hang Fire View Post
    Hmm, many of us have rotary tumblers laying around. (wifey use to do rocks) If the price of the ingredients got low enough, I wonder if the tumbler would work?
    If a cement mixer works a rotary tumbler would definetly work on a smaller quantity. You would be also coating the bowl with virtually impossible to remove muck, so it had want to be a bowl you owned or one that your wife was definetly finished with. Mind you if you ifnored the new internal paint job and just went back to tumbling rocks, it would probably be clean again at the end.

    A sealed off container would prevent you (or at least make if difficult for you to be)gradually topping up the paint until the amount was right. Mind you if you weighed the container at the start and at the finish, you would know how much to put in next time.

    Getting them out of the container and dried off without affecting the finish of the bullets is the mystery at this point. Maybe he just tumbles them until they are dry. They end up with a glossy finish, so I can't imagine that would be the procedure, I could be wrong however.

    I will pop by his place on Wednesday, it is impossible to deal with him over the phone as he is about 80% deaf.
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    Four Fingers of Death,

    I would love to know how your mate coats cast boolits.

    If your mate will tell you, what is the "paint" coating he uses?

    Thanks,

    WCK

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    It sounds like the "pan" process of making candy.

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    Any entre preneurs out there? Maybe we could buy Sandstrom 28A by the gallon or 5 and repackage it into smaller cans (1/2 pint, pint etc.). We could call it "Bullet Master II." Then it could be applied as Bullet Master was - roll on liquid, or dipped.

    Until that is, someone figgers out what them Aussies, and Europeans are painting them there boolits with.
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    I havent cast anything yet but really want to get into it. I was wondering if there is a possibility of damage to WW boolits in a tumbler? I am not quite sure how hard they are, but in a metal tumbler of some sort with the added weight of other boolits landing on each other could they be damaged?

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    Welcome to the forum ScorpioMk. You will find a plethora of information here on Cast Boolits and most anyone would be glad to help you and answer any questions that you may have.

    I am also new to boolit casting and have only about 2 casting sessions with my two Lee boolit moulds. I don't have a tumbler so I cannot answer your above question, but I feel certain that someone would have the knowledge to answer your question about tumbling cast boolits in a tumbler. Personally I would not suggest it.

    Everyone here has some basic knowledge about casting and reloading. If you have specific questions and don't want to wait for an answer in the thread posts, then go to our chatroom; there's usually a very knowledgeable person hanging around there that would be more than glad to answer any questions that you may have. Everyone has been very helpful to me and I'm sure they will make you welcome as well.

    My first question for you would be what are you interested in casting for? What pistol or rifle are you wanting to cast and reload for? I started out casting for my pistols and will move to rifle boolit casting in the very near future. I got a pound of rifle powder for Christmas and I cannot wait to get some skinnys reloaded for my .30-06. BC
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    9mm to start and 300 aac later. I'm waiting for a form 4 for a Ti-Rant 9mm so I'd like to be able to cast heavy subsonic 9mm boolits and can also run subsonic 300 aac through it too.

    If the painting can be figured out I would much rather go that route instead of conventional lubing. It would hopefully help keep lead/lube from building up inside my silencer (it is the take apart model so its not the end of the world) but I'd like to be able to shoot a lot between cleaning it.

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    I just remembered Sodbuster, who used to own and operate a comercial cast bullt concern. He has since sold it off and now just produces cast rifle boolits.

    He used to make the coated bullets and I used a lot of them. The process is a bit more involved than you would think (life's like that isn't it???).

    The coating is a chemical mixed by a backyard chemist In Sydney. It is probably about $AU500 for a 4 litre tin (about 1US Gallon) now as Soddy thinks the last one he bought cost him about $390 some four or so years ago.

    Apparently you can coat about 100,000 bullets per litre. I imagine, the larger the batch, the less wastage there would be (leastways. thats how I feel it would be but I don't know that for a fact).

    The process involves coating the bullets with t he chemical mix. This is stirred in, my deaf mate uses a cement mixer, but a lot of guys mix by hand apparently. Once an even coating is applied, they are tipped out and allowed to dry.

    Then they are cooked for about 20mins and allowed to cool. The cooking process is repeated twice again, cooling between 'cookings.'

    If the cooking process is not properly done, the coating can shed and give off pretty impressive fouling. Properly applied they do not lead, not need lube and can be driven flat out without problems.

    I have sent several thousand of these downrange at around 1400+fps without a problem and have a squiz (quick look) down the barrel every blue moon. They never seem to need cleaning.

    Apparently the silouette guys run them ar 2000+fps without lube or gas checks wiithout problems.

    My mate is looking for the name and address of the chemical guy. I don't know how you will go shipping it to the States. Once shooters use the coated bullets, it is hard to sell them any other type.

    Even the guys I know that are dedicated casters, buy the coated bullets for their pistols and just cast their own for their rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Four Fingers of Death View Post
    I just remembered Sodbuster, who used to own and operate a comercial cast bullt concern. He has since sold it off and now just produces cast rifle boolits.

    He used to make the coated bullets and I used a lot of them. The process is a bit more involved than you would think (life's like that isn't it???).

    The coating is a chemical mixed by a backyard chemist In Sydney. It is probably about $AU500 for a 4 litre tin (about 1US Gallon) now as Soddy thinks the last one he bought cost him about $390 some four or so years ago.

    Apparently you can coat about 100,000 bullets per litre. I imagine, the larger the batch, the less wastage there would be (leastways. thats how I feel it would be but I don't know that for a fact).

    The process involves coating the bullets with t he chemical mix. This is stirred in, my deaf mate uses a cement mixer, but a lot of guys mix by hand apparently. Once an even coating is applied, they are tipped out and allowed to dry.

    Then they are cooked for about 20mins and allowed to cool. The cooking process is repeated twice again, cooling between 'cookings.'

    If the cooking process is not properly done, the coating can shed and give off pretty impressive fouling. Properly applied they do not lead, not need lube and can be driven flat out without problems.

    I have sent several thousand of these downrange at around 1400+fps without a problem and have a squiz (quick look) down the barrel every blue moon. They never seem to need cleaning.

    Apparently the silouette guys run them ar 2000+fps without lube or gas checks wiithout problems.

    My mate is looking for the name and address of the chemical guy. I don't know how you will go shipping it to the States. Once shooters use the coated bullets, it is hard to sell them any other type.

    Even the guys I know that are dedicated casters, buy the coated bullets for their pistols and just cast their own for their rifles.

    Thanks for the info, now know much more about the process than I did.

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    J & M Specialised Products P/L Is the guy, he doesn't seem to have a site of his own, here is a link to his address, etc.

    http://www.truelocal.com.au/business...pper-lansdowne

    It is a public holiday here on Monday, so I will ring him on Tuesday and see if he can send the goop to the States and how much, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Four Fingers of Death View Post
    J & M Specialised Products P/L Is the guy, he doesn't seem to have a site of his own, here is a link to his address, etc.

    http://www.truelocal.com.au/business...pper-lansdowne

    It is a public holiday here on Monday, so I will ring him on Tuesday and see if he can send the goop to the States and how much, etc.
    Hi

    Long time lurker, first time poster...

    "Four fingers" I've been following this thread since the beginning and am really keen to hear if you spoke with J & M....

    I even registered just so I could bump this thread!! (I could ring him myself but didn't want to be annoying him with the same questions if you had already spoken to him)

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    Opps! Been rushing around with the holiday and most non retail business' seem to be closed until Monday the 9th. I tried a few other places with unrelated stuff and they are all closed till Monday and I just plain forgot about this one, sorry. I tried to ring him this afternoon (Fri), but the phone was continually engaged. Will try again Monday. I will put a reminder on my phone this time.
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    Looking forward to hearing about this. Seems to be a lot of "secrets" regarding formulas and sellers of these coatings.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaney View Post
    Looking forward to hearing about this. Seems to be a lot of "secrets" regarding formulas and sellers of these coatings.

    Cheers
    Thats reasonable, the guys who deveolped the coatings would have spent a lot of time and effort and possibly hard earnt bucks getting it right, they wouldn't want someone coming in and getting a free ride at their expense.
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    Not looking for a free ride, just looking for a retailer that can and will supply the coating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaney View Post
    Not looking for a free ride, just looking for a retailer that can and will supply the coating
    I didn't mean you or us were looking for a free ride, but there would be plenty of chemical suppliers who would plagerise his efforts and undercut him in a heartbeat. A small operator like this guy would have to be on guard for something like that.

    Hopefully if he doesn't ship to the states, he may be able to point us to another product/manafacturer that supplies similar stuff. All bets are off until Monday anyway.

    As a point of interest, he also adds some sort of colourant for the different customers.
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