lead bullets coated with polymer paint

[Garyshome]

Need to try that floor polish stuff. Alox leads too much!

[seedeeze]

Need to try that floor polish stuff. Alox leads too much!

I've used LsStuff's pre-mixed 45-45-10 and it works great.

Although I'm not sure this thread is where you intended to reply to.

[Ausglock]

Need to try that floor polish stuff. Alox leads too much!

G'day. Once you try the HI-TEK Supercoat, you will wonder why you ever used conventional lube.

All my lube sticks are now only used to flux my melts. The lubesizers are packed away, never to see the light of day again.

[cbunt1]

G'day. Once you try the HI-TEK Supercoat, you will wonder why you ever used conventional lube.

All my lube sticks are now only used to flux my melts. The lubesizers are packed away, never to see the light of day again.

You're right about that...I've been chasing the "holy grail" in bullet lube since I started casting. And now I've found it!!!

I still have folks who prefer traditional lubed bullets, so I can't put everything away just yet--but it did get me to thinking...I know how to settle the debate about whether smoke comes from the bullet base or the lube once and for all. Since we know these coated bullets only smoke from the powder--same as a J-word--running a few through the sizer and putting the wax-lube on them would tell a tale--any large clouds of smoke would HAVE to come from the lube in this case...it'll be a few weeks before I try it, but I'll let you know what I find...maybe I'll even get some video!

I think I already know the answer--but I love testing conventional wisdom. Heck, if we weren't testing conventional wisdom, we wouldn't be coating bullets with paint products and powder coatings, or even diluting powder coat in liquid solvents...and we wouldn't be where we are right now!

[TES]

I like Cbunt1!

[Skip62]

^^^^^^ Very INTERESTED in this test ^^^^^^^^

[gunoil]

Alox smells terrible. Paint is paint. powder coat is a pain. Some smart person invented Hi-Tek supercoat. I dont try to reinvent the wheel. Just like Star is the best lubesizer. Supercoat is where it is rite now. It is what it is. Pay-up sucker!

Ya cant loose, if ya cant use it, sell it on the forum.

[TES]

Alox smells terrible. Paint is paint. powder coat is a pain. Some smart person invented Hi-Tek supercoat. I dont try to reinvent the wheel. Just like Star is the best lubesizer. Supercoat is where it is rite now. It is what it is. Pay-up sucker!

Ya cant loose, if ya cant use it, sell it on the forum.

Hitek I think he wants compensation for his post!

Pay-up sucker!

[HI-TEK]

Hitek I think he wants compensation for his post!

Thanks for all the support and good faith.
Yes I believe that compensations may be in order, and to oblige, I am hoping to compensate all, by ensuring availability of the coating at significantly lower prices, not running out of local stock, so every one can enjoy their hobby, and use it, without straining the budget.
I am happy to assist, and reply promptly, especially if contact is made via a private enquiry.
HI-TEK

[piglet]

Thanks for all the support and good faith....

HI-TEK

Well, good faith or not, I still do not believe in this "Supercoat 3200 ft/s, no leading and without GC"!

And it always seems to be somebodys "buddy" who has done the testing, ....

Why would You lower the price if the "Supercoat" really is so superior?
Is the reason this almost free and good enough Harbor Freight PC/acetone- thing or what?

[Ausglock]

Piglet, Mate.
What is your problem?
My Buddy (Grant) is a Western action Shooter here in NSW Australia. He shoots 310 Martini cadets and 303 SMLE rifles with Cast bullets. He has been doing it for years. He used to use Lyman Lube on his cast rifle bullets. he also tried the White label Lube and got good results with them using Gas checks. But, He tried a few Supercoated bullets and loved it. He has since converted to only using Super coated Bullets in all his rifles that he casts for. And I have seen his targets and his barrel after firing. He does Not own a .22 centerfire rifle. He has a Win 458Mag and a Ruger 270Win that also runs Supercoated bullets with no issues. And he does not need Gas checks any more. I do not run cast bullets in my rifles. My 25-06 and 308 only run Sierra JHP bullets.

The Au Dollar was high against the US dollar, So buying in the US cost more. Now the US dollar is higher than the AU dollar so buying into the US is cheaper. I don't know what Bayou pays for the coating or how much they order. But in my business (Hardwood Flooring), If I buy in large quantities, then I get a cost saving and a cut if freight rates as well. I assume this is the case with the HI-TEK Supercoat being shipped to the US.

What does it matter to you if the cost of the (Superior...Your word) Supercoat comes down in cost? At the end of the day, The DIY caster who chooses to use the Supercoat will be saving money. Nobody is twisting anyone's arm to use the stuff.

If you and others are getting the results you want with the PC/acetone coating, Then Good luck with it. I hope you continue to has good results with accurate loads and clean barrels.
For the life of me, I don't see why you have such a bug up your **** about the HI-TEK Supercoat. HI-TEK came on this forum to offer his input about the coating he makes and to enlighten we cast bullet addicts. Some started asking for him to spill his guts about what was in it and how he made it. He declined to elaborate. So some started belittling him.

His coating has been in commercial use here in Australia for over 20 years. As I stated in a previous post, 100s of thousands of Supercoated bullets get fired in Australia every weekend by Sporting Shooters. If that doesn't speak for the quality of the coating, nothing does.

I have cast for over 15 years, Lubed with Jake's lube, White label, Lyman, Rooster Red etc etc. These load were only for practice. My competition ammo is always loaded with Topscore Projectiles Supercoated bullets. When I saw HI-TEK's post on here, I pestered him constantly about getting some Supercoat to try. He would not sell it in Australia to DIY casters, Only to the USA. I finally convinced him that I was no threat to his commercial customers, and Bought a litre of Coating.
Since then, All my casting, coating and results (Good and Bad) have been posted on this forum.
I have been inundated with PM and emails from people in the US asking for tips on how to use the HI-TEK Supercoat. I gladly offer my findings as we are all brothers of the silver stream. I am in no way associated with HI-TEK or his business. I pay my money the same as everyone else.

So. Piglet You seem to be having a "Sour Grapes" type of issue.
Why, I don't know.
Anyone would think you owned a Powder coating powder company or something.
Mate, Relax and enjoy your casting coating and shooting. If you don't want to use Supercoat, don't.
Remember... Not everything good comes from the USA.
Take Kangaroos, Drop bears, Emus and HI-TEK's Supercoat....
Lighten up.

[Wal']

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thanks Ausglock about time someone said it ............. we've been using this stuff down here for over twenty years, both pistol & rifle & all the naysayers are still jumping on it & asking for proof.

Isn't twenty years of use proof enough, if anyone buys commercial boolits here in Australia, they're all coated with the Hi-Teks formula, no one can buy any commercial conventional lubed boolits here & haven't for many years.

There's only us home casters using soft lube & now that Hi-Tek's hardcast lube is being made available locally in smaller affordable quantities, that's about to change forever!

[piglet]

.. if anyone buys commercial boolits here in Australia, they're all coated with the Hi-Teks formula, ...

Sure!

How about for example Westcastings Premium Grade Projectiles?

http://www.rpgfirearms.com.au/WESTCASTINGS.htm

The owner writes:

"As the owner of Westcasting Projectiles Australia I would like to set the record straight. Firstly all our coatings are a proprietary product made by us for our exclusive use, we do not sell our coating to any other companies/users. We have never used auto paints or any other type of paint as a bullet coating. We have been in business for 30yrs and have been producing coated projectiles for over 20yrs. While many Australian companies appear to produce a similar product we can state that our coating is unique to us and is made in house.

... we have found some of the coating being offered here in Australia have been found by us to be of questionable quality and suitability for the purpose of bullet coating. Many of these coatings do appear to be nothing more than industrial paints produced by people with no experiences in the firearms and reloading industry. "

[HI-TEK]

Well, good faith or not, I still do not believe in this "Supercoat 3200 ft/s, no leading and without GC"!

And it always seems to be somebodys "buddy" who has done the testing, ....

Why would You lower the price if the "Supercoat" really is so superior?
Is the reason this almost free and good enough Harbor Freight PC/acetone- thing or what?

Piglet, thank you for your post.
I have read many and understood your blogs, but am puzzled.

It seems, that you are totally avoiding and ignoring numerous facts.
1. Test results you constantly refer to, use of the coating at 3200ft/sec, was not something I invented.
2. Results, (3200ft/sec, as I have stated very clearly, and many times), was provided by an ex customer, and a commercial manufacturer, who has never been my "buddy", and, aside from being my customer, we were never any more than business associates.
3. Your disbelief of such results, is not with me, or with the coating, however with tester and the supplier of such data.
Why aren't you challenging the supplier of that data about such results, and, it would be useful, if you could explain your reasoning, why such results cannot be accomplished to enable you to continuously dwell on such matter?
4. You seem to totally ignore commercial companies who for years manufacture and sell (non-coated) alloys to shooters to be used at 3100ft/sec. Why are you not attacking their claims?
5. If the coatings were not working, nor had been found unsatisfactory, why has the demand escalated in such a manner, and, after all "doubting sceptics" who did not believe the claims, eventually had to concede the usefulness and are buyers of the coating?
6. It seems, that you had totally ignored independent posting, where coated alloys were used successfully, where non-coated -alloys were unable to be used previously, and without gas checks.

In terms of your beliefs, I offer following replies,
1. You alleged a design and manufacturing process, where you claim resounding success, with use of powder coating paints. If I remember correctly, you were voted as inventor of the year by some members.
2. Aside from all of us taking your words for success, and claiming low costs in manufacture, I have seen no provisions of any long term proof, that the finished product in fact had performed at all.
3. Since your joining this blog site, in May 2013, aside from your claims, no one can provide a long term history or satisfactory use of your alleged invention, and no one can provide any information as to what happens to peoples guns after using such a coating as you now promote.
4. I have seen no criticisms made, by any one, who took your alleged invention as a hobbyist benefiting technique as being gospel.
5. I have not seen any one, questioning your alleged invention, and, people in fact had tried to reproduce results you had published. Some had success and some none at all.

I also applauded your idea, however I did have some reservations about limited application use, due to the properties produced by powder coatings either applied as powder or as from a solution.

In reference my results being posted by my buddies, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken.
If you are referring to tests being posted by Ausglock, until recently, I have never met or communicated with that person.
From what I understand, Ausglock has used the coated projectiles for many years, but he was unaware of me directly as he was never my customer, friend or associate.
Your inferences about "friends reports" is certainly misguided.

In further reply, in terms of your reference about "buddies" reporting test results, why have you not asked all the manufacturers, here in Australia, NZ, South Africa, USA, if any one had any complaints about the coating, and why, many people, here and overseas, whom I do not know, nor had any communications with, had posted glowing reports, and are absolutely not interested in powder coatings wet or dry.

Once you have done such survey, it would be more constructive for you to publish the actual and independent facts.

In terms of your allegations of lowering prices and questioning why I would do that if my product was superior, and you raise concerns about my price reductions.
To clarify things so you may understand, and I also provide following information, so everyone can understand actual facts, and not accept your allegations,

1. Prices in Australia had been stable over many years, and in last 18 months, prices had in fact dropped for several reasons.
Since you only joined this blog site May of this year you cannot provide any substantiations to support your stance.
Posting your alleged invention, after your joining this blog site in May, price reductions for coatings occurring in previous 18 months,you now cannot associate your powder coating invention as being cause for such event.
I think that you are assuming a little too much credit if you think you had been responsible for coating price reductions.
2. Because of small volume being exported, export costs were extremely high.
2, As volumes and demand increased for export, it directly had significant affects to reduce costs.
3. Local costs, were stable for about 15 years, and no one had made a complaint about coating being expensive.
4. As demand here and overseas increased, it allowed us to secure much better prices for raw materials, and, such reductions in manufacturing costs were immediately passed on to our customers, and especially the ones that were large volume buyers.

Despite my costs being reduced, I had no intentions in price gouging my customers, and, over the last 18 months, I advised price reductions.
Again, in reference to your implied matter, my price being lowered, as a result of your powder coating release, is totally misplaced and misleading assumption.
It really does not affect me nor the coating prices, if you produce your methology and products for free.

The rationale used, is that despite your method being even 10 times cheaper to coat alloy,
I would like you to explain, why no one in a commercial set up, over the last 20 years, has adopted such method that you allege as being your invention as a successful venture?
I am almost 100% certain that there has been many throughout the world, that was very capable and technically proficient of using a suitable material, if it was available.

In summary, I really do not understand, your deliberate and relentless attacks, on me, and the coatings, that was introduced to all users?
I do not know how and why you joined this blog in May of this year.

I was in fact, invited by numerous persons to join this blog site, so I can specifically and directly answer all constructively asked questions to all whom wanted information about the coatings and on other technical matters.
Since your joining, It seems to me, and has to many others, I have had nothing but a continued a personal vendetta of criticism being conducted by you , and it is not understood why that is?

I would like to invite you, to elaborate and explain to all parties, what is the reasons for your concentrated agenda & specific activities, since your joining this forum, that has been specifically directed against me and the coatings since your joining?
I really would like these matters to be finalised, so people can get on, comment without harassment.

[HI-TEK]

Sure!

How about for example Westcastings Premium Grade Projectiles?

http://www.rpgfirearms.com.au/WESTCASTINGS.htm

The owner writes:

"As the owner of Westcasting Projectiles Australia I would like to set the record straight. Firstly all our coatings are a proprietary product made by us for our exclusive use, we do not sell our coating to any other companies/users. We have never used auto paints or any other type of paint as a bullet coating. We have been in business for 30yrs and have been producing coated projectiles for over 20yrs. While many Australian companies appear to produce a similar product we can state that our coating is unique to us and is made in house.

... we have found some of the coating being offered here in Australia have been found by us to be of questionable quality and suitability for the purpose of bullet coating. Many of these coatings do appear to be nothing more than industrial paints produced by people with no experiences in the firearms and reloading industry. "

Thanks for your post on Westcastings.

I advise you, please do not open this can of worms, it is not to your, not Westcastings interests.

What will arise is nothing but conflict, if I chose to provide various matters in reply to your part attached incomplete blog.

I did reply to this posting by Westcastings, and in extensive detail, and you specifically did not add my reply that was attached WHY?????

[Jumbopanda]

Can't we all just get along?

[Ausglock]

Piglet.
Why do you keep dredging up the Westcastings blurb?

Of all the coated bullets for sale in Australia, Westcastings is the worst. Frommy experience, they lead really bad. I know of nobody shooting IPSC open division on this side of the country that will use Westacstings in their open guns due to the fact that the compensators are full of lead after a few 100 rounds. Other manufacturers bullets work fine. Topscore, Vindicators, Bullet factory, Spartan Projectiles, Ray Gray etc etc. All coated with HI-TEK Supercoat. I think Hawksbury River Bullet Company make their own coating. I and others have had issues with their coating rubbing off on your fingers when reloading. I haven't used their product since. They may have fixed their issue.

So I wouldn't go holding Westcastings up as a beacon of perfection.

[Ausglock]

Can't we all just get along?

Yeah. I agree.
Piglet seems to have an ax to grind for some reason..

[bmiller]

Hi-tek, I hope you have a huge supply of raw materials secured. I am in the backwoods of western Pennsylvania, and I see more and more Bayou bullets at small local matches. Once people try them, it is hard to spend the extra for plated or jacketed bullets to shoot IDPA or IPSC. I have been getting great results with the hi-tek method. It is an easy process to use. I am not saying the piglet method will not work, to be honest I am rather intrigued by it, but I have not been able to generate satisfactory results. Maybe I am missing something.

[N4AUD]

I too would really like to read more about the Hi Tek coating without pig let's attacks. I'm a new member who has been lurking, and I would like to know more without all the static.