Trail Boss Alternative for subs in 308 win family?

[Longranger44]

So since trail boss seems to be gone indefinitely, would there be a viable alternative that would be safe for subsonic loads in a 308 Winchester sized case?

The specific cartridge I'm working with is 7mm-08 and I'm hoping to push either a 150gr hpbt or a 175gr round nose at around 1050 fps. Both bullets are close to the same length. My rifle has a 8.5" twist so these should be stable according to Berger calculator.

So my only hold up is if I can actually find a powder other than trail boss that will work safely. Thanks in advance!

[Recycled bullet]

What pistol powder do you have? I've done exactly this with ten grains Winchester Auto comp and a 155 grain plain base powder coated mp 308 hunter bullet. Do you have bullseye, tightgroup, unique, 4227, ???

[Recycled bullet]

Lymans AR reloading manual lists subs with rifle powder too.

[Kestrel4k]

Red Dot is the poor mans' Trailboss IMO.

[Sandro_ventania]

So since trail boss seems to be gone indefinitely, would there be a viable alternative that would be safe for subsonic loads in a 308 Winchester sized case?

The specific cartridge I'm working with is 7mm-08 and I'm hoping to push either a 150gr hpbt or a 175gr round nose at around 1050 fps. Both bullets are close to the same length. My rifle has a 8.5" twist so these should be stable according to Berger calculator.

So my only hold up is if I can actually find a powder other than trail boss that will work safely. Thanks in advance!

How about making your own? Take a look at the topic..." my homemade Golden powder"
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...Golden-powder!

[Bwana John]

SR4759, Unique, 60%H4895, A5744

[racepres]

Red Dot is the poor mans' Trailboss IMO.

Most assuredly so.... But...also currently absent from the shelves...here anyway...just like Unique
in my limited experiments.. BE-86 been grain for grain thusfar with Unique.. Note...Thusfar!!!
I will continue my experiments with AANitro 100NF...But...It is Not as Simple as throw the thing together and Shoot!!!!
Plus side is, It is very Bulky, but Not as Bulky as Trail Boss.. and Faster I think...

on a side note...I truly believe that the Only Plus to Trail Boss was its Bulk....and most of us learned that if you dare compress the stuff...Bad things happened!!! .So...Still Not Dummy Proof as we wish!!

Something that has occurred to me in working with Nitro100 NF, that is relevant to Trail Boss..The Grain Weight is Just there for us Old School folks who were taught that Grain Weight was "all that"
In Fact the Bulk or Volume of Trail Boss is what made it Simple.. ie fill to the base of the seated boolit in the case...Not a Weight...In Fact...A Volume..I have begun to treat Nitro100 that way..Not ...repeat Not something I advocate, rather an Observation... to date, Volume vs Grain Weight has resulted in Superior Repeatability...ie Consistency..
Just a Note..I have Not completed..nay I have Not even Scratched the Surface of these Experiments, and Do Not in any way, advocate doing as I Am...Just sharing my assumptions...and we All know what assume Means!!!

[Recycled bullet]

Trail boss smells like cat pee when you shoot it

[Iron369]

I have a couple containers of trailboss that I can’t see ever using. I didn’t know that it’s hard to get.

[dverna]

I have a couple containers of trailboss that I can’t see ever using. I didn’t know that it’s hard to get.

It is selling for stupid prices.

[Hick]

I use HP-38, W231 and Titegroup for subs in 30-30, 30-06, 303 British, 7.65 Argentine and 32 Winchester Special. Lyman Cast Bullet handbook is your friend for this.

[Outpost75]

Bullseye has worked well in small game and gallery applications for over 100 years:

3 grains in .32-20
4 grains .455, 45 Auto Rimmed
5 grains in .45 ACP and .44 Special
6 grains in .30-30, .32-40, 32-Win. Spl, .44-40
7 grains in .30-40 Krag, .303"Brit, .45 Colt
8 grains in .44 Magnum, .30-'06.

[scattershot]

Red Dot works well in my 30/30, would probably do so in your .308

[DocSavage]

I use Red Dot in my Reminton 700 heavy barrel in 308 with cast bullets of various weights the rifle has very low recoil ideal for women or older kids.

[Rimfire McNutjob]

N110 maybe.

[Thumbcocker]

Red Dot is the poor mans' Trailboss IMO.

+1 or promo

[racepres]

Wonderful...yes Red Dot is King!!!!
Now
Where ya Buy it?? just Now????

[jdgabbard]

Most assuredly so.... But...also currently absent from the shelves...here anyway...just like Unique
in my limited experiments..

Fortunately it's still available locally, though only in 8lb jugs and for a price of $288 as of this past Friday.... The jug I'm currently using has a price tag on it of $149, which I though was mighty high when I bought it during the 2016 nonsense...

That said, there is one more place locally that sells reloading supplies, but they're only open during the hours I work. So I never get a chance to stop by their shop...

[2TM101]

I have a couple containers of trailboss that I can’t see ever using. I didn’t know that it’s hard to get.

Its out of production, apparently forever. Supply & demand. I have a 5lb jug I used maybe 200 grains out of, otherwise it would be on gunbroker right now

[quilbilly]

I have gotten good results with both Red Dot and Green Dot in my 308 using a 196 gr plain base CB.