30-30 Parent Case

[303Guy]

35 Remington RIMMED.

Cases from 303 or 30-40

Now there's an idea.

[bohica2xo]

If you want to work on a wildcat, look at the 338 Marlin Express case.

Rimmed, and constructed for hard use. A .553 rim diameter. Good potential parent case.

B.

[w30wcf]

Actually.......the parent case of the .30-30 is the .38-50 Ballard cartridge. The .32-40 and .38-55 are extended versions of it.

w30wcf

[cabezaverde]

Now there's an idea.

35 Remington Rimmed

I have one in a Contender Pistol barrel that I picked up cheap - uses formed 30-40 Krag brass.

[paul edward]

Back to one of the original parts of the question:

If I am not mistaken, the 38-55 or 38-56 is the parent cartridge, with the 30-30 and 32 Special being made from one of those.

The 38/55 is indeed based on the same family as the .30/30. The 38/56, however, is based on the .45/70 family of cases.

Either one should be good for deer at 200 yards with cast boolits.

PED

[JIMinPHX]

What's wrong with the plain old 30-30? I load the 150-grain Lee flat point over RE-7 & duplicate factory cartridge velocity with better accuracy.

[Bad Water Bill]

How about the 22 Hi Power. When it was introduced they advertised it had been used to kill ELEPHANTS. Can't get much bigger targets than that. It is a necked down 30-30.

[badgeredd]

30/30,32spcl,375win, 38-55 are all the same basic case.

30/40 Krag,348win,303 Brit, 307 win,7.62X54 russian, 444marlin..etc... all could be bumped up or down to make what you seek or used as is in the Encore.

Then there is the glaringly obvious easy as pie choice......a 20-22 inch encore barrel in 357 max ...it will kill any whitetail out to 200 yards in the right hands. I know a guy that has killed a few at that distance and a couple a bit beyond that mark with a custom barrelled 15inch encore pistol with 180-220 grain castings and a fullhouse dose of Vhit N-120.

I'm disappointed you didn't mention the 35/30-30 Mikey!!!!!!!

Edd

[geargnasher]

Tom, Id say your already there. Our 30-30s sit dormant now.

Neither of mine do, and if yours does that's your own danged fault! I love the cartridge, especially in a strong gun (like a break-action Savage or TC). The 7X30 Waters is good too, as is the .307 Winchester (rimmed .308 basically), but I wouldn't want much of a .307 in a handgun personally.

Gear

[357maximum]

I'm disappointed you didn't mention the 35/30-30 Mikey!!!!!!!

Edd

I am a bit to have neglected it myself. I guess I think of that sweet little round as the perfect levergun cartridge and it clouded my synapses into a short circuit.

[excess650]

The 35-30/30 and 35 Krag are both old wildcats. The 30-40 case opened to .375 becomes the 38-50 Remington Hepburn which is not to be confused with the 38-50 Ballard. Both of the previously mentioned 35s along with the 35 Remington rimmed(30-40 case) would be fine, but I would just opt for a quicker than original twist 38-55 with .375-.376" groove diameter.

I have a Savage 1899 that had been rebored/rechambered from 30-30 to 38-55 with a 1-12" twist, and has been my favorite cast bullet hunter/shooter since I got it. The 38-55 case is thinner and longer than the .375win case, so has more capacity. My chamber is a little large, so I tend to take it easy on powder charges, but still get about 1700fps from a 22" barrel with the 280gr Lyman 375449. Pet loads include 26gr Reloader 7, 28-30gr AA2015, and 32gr AA2200. I can load heavier charges at the expense of shorter case life.

I also have several 45-70s, but the increased recoil makes them less pleasant to shoot.

Other cartridges to consider would be the 40-50(1.88") Sharps straight and 40-60 Maynard(2.2"), both based on the 30-40 case and the 40-50 Sharps bottleneck based on the 45-70 case.

[Charlie Sometimes]

What is a 303 Brit blowed out straight?
Like 30-30 is to 375 Win or 38-55.

You could always shorten any of the rimmed cases to what you want- but I think most of the conversions have been done and standardized. Pick your caliber and look for the cartridge or wildcats listed under that caliber.

[303Guy]

What is a 303 Brit blowed out straight?

That one's Kiwi territory - the 38 Hawkins. JeffinNZ can tell us more about it. Cases are formed quite easily but with a special sizer die that irons out the 'dough-nut'. I've made a few experimental cases but the one example that Jeff sent me is perfect. (It's a future project for a Lee Enfield I have with a rusted out bore).

The 38-55 case ..... but still get about 1700fps from a 22" barrel with the 280gr Lyman 375449.

That's not bad at all! Taking recoil into account, how much more does one want?

[cbrick]

Interesting reading while wildcatting for the contender/Encore or lerverguns & 30-30 class cases,

338 GEF By Glen E. Fryxell

357 Max By Glen E. Fryxell

35 Remington Levergun By Glen E. Fryxell

Rick

[armyrat1970]

What's wrong with the plain old 30-30? I load the 150-grain Lee flat point over RE-7 & duplicate factory cartridge velocity with better accuracy.

That's what I was wondering. ?

[Charlie Sometimes]

That one's Kiwi territory - the 38 Hawkins. JeffinNZ can tell us more about it. Cases are formed quite easily but with a special sizer die that irons out the 'dough-nut'. I've made a few experimental cases but the one example that Jeff sent me is perfect. (It's a future project for a Lee Enfield I have with a rusted out bore).

I would have thought it would be a 40 caliber or slightly larger. 38 or 375 just doesn't seem worth the effort with so many other similar rounds available today. By "the dough-nut", I take it you are refering to any neck that is produced? Making it a more tapered case?

30-40 Krag brass seems to be hard to get in these parts. A local friend of mine can't find it anywhere, so I don't think I would use that as a basis for a wildcat or new barrel. 303 might be easier to find, but I don't see it much either outside of military surplus ammo.

This is interesting- I'm going to "look up" some of these for reference. Especially the 38 Hawkins (neat name)!

[selmerfan]

Another vote for the .357 Max barrel

[Firebird]

30-40 Krag brass is "seasonal", meaning the factories make it only when they don't have anything else to make. With the brass shortages just beginning to be made up, it may be a while before 30-40 Krag is generally available again.
Blue Star brass currently is listing both 30-40 Krag and 307 Winchester brass but they haven't updated the page in 6 weeks so it might be gone.