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Thread: ".32 Ideal" Cartridge? (Low Wall)

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    ".32 Ideal" Cartridge? (Low Wall)

    There is an auction coming up nearby that has a Winchester Low Wall listed. They say the caliber is ".32 Ideal", which is a new one on me.
    I looked in my copy of Madis' Winchester book and found it in the list of cartridges for the single shot (standard length- 28"; standard weight- #1), but that was all I found.

    Does anyone here know anything about the .32 Ideal?

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    I found it in my "Cartridges of the World" from a couple of editions back. Still not much info, but more than I had. Nothing about what it can be made or formed from or anything like that.
    I might be able to decipher something from the dimensions table. A cursory glance is looking like I'd have to start with something already scarce and re-form.
    It looks interesting, but maybe a little more off the beaten path than even I usuallly stray.
    Last edited by BarryinIN; 04-08-2010 at 05:00 PM.

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    Barry, try looking on the assra forum. I think I've seen it mentioned there, if not one of them might know something.
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    Thanks, I will check.

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    The 32 Ideal, also called the 32-25-150 was introduced in 1920 for the Stevens 44 ,44 1/2 rifles, and other single shot rifles.

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    The 32 Ideal dates from way, way, w-a-y before 1920. It was a standard chambering in the Stevens tip-ups.

    Bertram makes brass for it. Not cheap, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dollar Bill View Post
    The 32 Ideal, also called the 32-25-150 was introduced in 1920 for the Stevens 44 ,44 1/2 rifles, and other single shot rifles.
    Thanks. That's about what my CotW says, but 1920 sounds awful late for that.
    Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter too much when it came out since I've pretty much decided I'll pass on it.

    Edit: I see your post now, BobS. Thanks.
    $64 per 20 huh? You are right, that isn't cheap. But I'm also thinking about some of the work I've put into making other cases, and might have paid $64 for 20 before I was through.
    And 20 cases would last me a good long time in something like that.
    Maybe I'm not so ready to ditch this idea after all. I see they have all sorts of dies. I wish I could get into that auction early, and maybe find some dies and brass, but I have the feeling the previous owner was much more an accumulator than a shooter and it may never have been fired while in his possession.
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    The .32 Ideal was developed by Reuben Harwood (Iron Ramrod) and the Stevens company so that shot out .32 rimfire and .32-20 rifles could be rebored and rechambered to a strong, solid-head, straight shell, which in blackpowder days was considered the most up-to-date design available. Stevens offered this reboring service for this and a number of other Stevens calibers. According to most sources, the .32 Ideal was too much of a compromise for its accuracy to be competitive with .32-35's and .32-40's, but nowadays, with the doctrine of small cases and smokeless powder at full loading densities, it might be worth a second look.

    The proper bullet was the obsolete Ideal 32359, or, if you're lucky, the Perfection mould 32360.

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    Interesting.

    But it looks like I'm not going to the auction. I don't really have time.
    I did drop a hint to my wife about it, hoping she might suggest I go on over, talking me into it. She didn't.
    "There's a gun auction up the road today".
    "I saw that, but I figured you didn't have any you wanted to sell."

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    Sounds like time to re-indoctrinate the wife. The proper response should have been..."I saw that, I figure you have some you need to buy"..................
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    To be fair...
    This conversation was in response to her asking what I planned on doing after my big job of the day, which was to move some things around the garage to get the mower out...for her to cut the grass with.
    In retrospect, that wasn't the best time to bring it up.

    So I didn't get over there to the auction.
    The grass isn't cut either.

    I hope the rifle went to someone who would put it to use and not just hang it on the wall.

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    I'm working on a 32 Stevens Ideal but am at a loss for load data. If anyone has smokeless load data for a Stevens 44 I'd appreciate it.

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    Around 40 years ago I was given about 50 loose .32 Ideal cartridges and sold them $1.00 each which was good money at the time. I had never seen any of those before or since. They are a straight walled case with a .32-20 size rim. I took one of them apart and found it was loaded with black powder and a plain based lead bullet with multiple grease grooves.

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    "Ammo Encyclopedia 2nd Edition" has a write up on the .32 Ideal cartridge including a dimensioned drawing and notes that may be useful in developing loads for it. 150 gr L-FN bullet listed at 1250fps MV/520lbs ME out of a 1-18" rifled 24" barrel and a claimed maximum range of 2650 Yards. It does mention two similar rim/base diameter cartridges that might be worth investigating for donor cases to make this one from.
    "The Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversins" on page 230 has Drawing, dimensions, and notes on Fireforming it from .32-20 WCF Brass.which yields a short but usable case. this listing also contains a Smokeless powder loading, supposedly from Barnes: 150gr bullet/12.0gr of 4198/1330fps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogkinkead View Post
    I'm working on a 32 Stevens Ideal but am at a loss for load data. If anyone has smokeless load data for a Stevens 44 I'd appreciate it.
    Any progress on your project with the .32 Ideal?
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    No update on this tread for nearly three months. Anyone have any updates?
    Have the Poster(s) with the .32 Ideal chambered rifles thought of using lower power and shorter similar cartridges for low power loads in their rifles?

    Best Regards,
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    Last edited by Chev. William; 05-03-2015 at 05:43 PM.

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    The orig. poster's Low wall......no problem but, I'd be very careful with the smokeless loads in the Stevens 44.....for me I think that BP would be my choice.

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    .32 ideal rim dia..404 head dia. .350 case length 1.75

    make it from 351 self loading. spin to .350 head dia. trim to length. turn rim down. size to hold .32 bullets fire form.

    150 gr bullet 10 r. 2400

    that is out of note's cartage conversions.

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    10 grains of H4227 with a 150 grain bullet would be a decent starting point. Might want to start with 8-9 grains if you are ultra conservative. I have a 44 1/2 coming and this is what the seller suggested.

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    Sorry guys, been busy with other projects, duties and honey do's, haven't been on site for a while. I still have the Stevens and now have brass, bullets, and I think I have dies, somewhere, just haven't had time (or space) to put it all together. I'll probably start with the light 4198 load, maybe 9 or 10 grains.

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    I have seen one a long time ago, and due to the ammo I passed on it.

    I would suggest either Black Powder or Black Powder, in a FFF granulation.

    Black powder with a real BP lube is easy to clean, I clean my 45-90 with a brush soaked in a nasty cleaner, (We usually call it water unless being smart-a**es) , 3 strokes with the brush. Normally followed by 1 wet patch, 3 dry ones and the last patch with some real bp non drying, petroleum free grease. done!!
    Don't know why any one would want to put that nasty smokeless trash in a perfectly good rifle!

    Good luck
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