12GA FH Slug Tester --

[hubel458]

The 695 has two rear bolt lugs. About as
strong as the NEF, Glenn.
A little less strength than the Sav 210.
Tested in NEF 3" cases, Alliant 2400 with
small primers, Fired ok at 75 deg but when
case cooled there was majority of misfires
and squib loads. Don't reccomend it..
Here is picture of Mauser 12ga bolt action
GEHA next to a heavy barrel like I will put
on it Make a good slug gun.IT has thinnest
barrel of any 12ga I ever seen.Ed

[hubel458]

The 12GA From Hell, 700HE, and
700HE 3.25" is now on
Ammoguide, the last page of
cartridge list.Recent news says
H&H is going to build Paradox
Shotgun/Rifles again...Ed

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=611

[hubel458]

We tested 3.5" plastic cases in NEF, small
primers. My chamber is lengthened for our
long brass case, so they work fine.....
With 600 gr slug, 105 gr of IMR 4227,
got 2100. Same slug, 180 gr, 7383 surplus,
got 2100 fps. That's 5800 ft lbs from
plastic shotgun cases.Ed

[hubel458]

Here is the Enfield I reamed out to feed 12 gauge and BMG
size cases. I added two rear bolt locking lugs, one the huge bolt
handle and another added that locks in rear bridge. The front lugs
still contact on their top 40 %. This is concept from earlier shown
Mauser shotgun conversions, where they were made from 98
Mausers, giving a bolt action 12ga.This one is chambered for
my belted 700H 3.25" case, as a load developement test gun.
Loads up to 825 gr at 2500 so far. Ed

[Bullshop]

hubel458
You are a sic puppy. 850gn at 2500 fps! Whats it for hard rock mining, well drilling, pile driving? Actually now it sounds quite versatile.
BIC/BS

[rvpilot76]

Now, that's a man's gun! Too bad the dinosaurs are extinct; they'd make the ultimate dangerous game animal. I'd love to see this thing fired on video! Make that 577 T-Rex look like child's play!

Kevin

[hubel458]

Fellows- This won't treat you like the way too light Trex gun in video.
I has the weight and a thick pad, and being thumbhole you couldn't
let it fly away nohow. It's a hairy ride but it won't hurt. Make your ears ring
if you don't use ear plugs. Its heavier loads as well as 12GA FH, sound like
a tank gun going off to bystanders. Ed

[hubel458]

The three From Hell cartridges----
My 28GA FH, 2nd Our 12GA FH, can
you guess the 3rd?. What do readers think. Ed

[hubel458]

It is the 8GA From Hell, a real cartridge. 4.3 inch long
brass case. 8 ga shorter plastic case, plan on in same chamber.
The brass kiln gun case isn't as long as mine. Where do
you find the rare 8 ga brass kiln gun cases.
Looking now for guns or actions and barrels. I make it
from 20mm Suzy brass(20mm Hispano Suiza), by putting
on a 8ga size rim and reshaping like we did 12GA FH....Ed

[hubel458]

Who has 8 ga lead slugs.Ed

[hubel458]

8ga, we gonna do a couple, first one a test
gun in an Enfield with rear locking lugs added.
All locking is in the rear, it is not exactly like
my 700HE one,as both lug seats gone in the
front like a Mauser 12ga shotgun.
May have a way to get barrels 'fast'---
fast being like 2 weeks, from the time I
have money to do it. And only about
150 bucks each.......Am working on it.
In pic you see long case sticking out of
the action, a couple 8ga plastic cases, a
couple of the 8ga kiln slugs, 3 oz and
hardened. Am looking for a slug built like the
Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and
hollow base, that fits bore tight, for smoothbore.
The barrels I am working deal on will be smoothbore.Ed

[wonderwolf]

HOLY CRAP MAN....Where will it end? I've been following the 12ga FH on several boards now for a while. I would really like a 12gaFH side by side or bolt action.

Whats the recoil calculators say about what your pushing?

[hubel458]

There is recoil but i don't dwell, I add
weight and thick pads.Get right balance.
Howabout this Long Tom slug gun from our
short barrel Win 87.....Ed

[hubel458]

Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now,
will be here end of the week.Found this
info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they
load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300-
for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to
1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy
with our non-shotgun powder loads, in
a heavy barrel. We setup an Enfield for 8ga.
In the 87 long barreled gun we will be testing
Breneke slugs. Guys are reporting good accuracy
in smooth and rifled barrels. The pictured barrel
on 87 is smooth and we will see how the
slugs in pic stand some speed.Ed

[lar45]

Ed, Looks like you've been busy.
For smooth barrels have you thought about 4130 or 4140 DOM tube? They come in quite a variety of sizes. You just have to find a steel shop that won't charge you for a whole stick to cut off 30".
Any chance of getting some close up pics of the rear lugs on your Enfield?

[hubel458]

I will try to get good pics of just the bolt, and I am looking at the
4130-4140 seamless tubing for 4bore, 2bore, and maybe save time.
Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple
1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr
of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.
This is a heavy barrel for that type of load,
don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels.
The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering
bolt gun for it now..Ed

[Aaron]

I have a Tar-Hunt 12 ga with a 2 3/4 inch chamber. I would like to try groove diameter slugs in this. Hubel458, did you have moulds for this?

Thanks

Aaron

[hubel458]

No, I don't do any casting. I get hardened slugs from Dixie.
Their 600 gr is perfect, and they have 750gr.
Lee and others make different molds for groove diameter,
.729 inch or more slugs. Can the Tarhunt mag be set up for 3"
cases, they have the strength for more velocity, and 3"
cases help to get more, with our loads.Ed

[hubel458]

In the 87 long smooth barrel got
1 oz Brenneke to 2400 with 110gr
of 4227, You could use 4759 and
VV110 also at lesser amounts.
Barrel is cylinder bore size.
Brenneke slugs need no wads as the
locked on wad works good.Ed
And going heavier in 87 got 600 grain
Dixie over 2000, got a Buckhammer slug
I took out of factory load over 1900.
Buckhammer and locked on wad is 630
gr. Tested in 3" plastic cases.

The firing pin on the 87 didn't protude out
like I like them to as it comes from factory,
so I removed .015 from the hammer stop.
It fires big and small primers perfect.Ed

[Aaron]

Hubel458,

Unless I get a new stock and have it reworked to not use the detachable magazine, I can't do the 3 inch.
I am having a mould made for my bolt gun.I am figuring on a LFN style solid base boolit. I am figuring on having a crimp groove added for giggles. I was thinking of maybe having the option of shortening brass cases and crimping the boolit on like a regular straight wall case. I would be limited to an oal of about 2.45 inches. What are you using to size brass cases? Shellholder? roll crimp die? Bell die? Seater die?

Other thoughts I had were that maybe I need to use plastic cases or brass cases with the boolit seated inside the case so that as the crimp opens, it helps keep the boolit from getting cocked in the throat. Might help with accuracy. My goal is to have a bullet accurate out to 200 yds with as much velocity attainable at recoil levels useable in this shotgun. I am not recoil shy. I routinely shoot my elk rifles. For the timber, an 8 pound 416 Taylor and my open country gun is a 9 pound 338/378 Kugla Khan-no brakes, they are too loud! Anyway, I am hoping for 1700 fps and deal with drop and windage, I mainly want the bullet to remain stable and accurate.
I also plan on building loads for a TarHunt converted Remington 870. I intend for this to be an accurate brush thumper.

Aaron