12GA FH Slug Tester --

[hubel458]

Here is picture of a hard plastic molded shotgun case, holding
a slug, without crimping, a company is experimenting with.
This one with light slug supposed to do over 2000 fps.







Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
Known as, Rocky Mtn Rifles, video on Youtube of them testing our
585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzQjRGfT1A







Here is picture of Rossi SS with 585 barrel mono-blocked into it,
chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, to do testing in a light rifle
with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got plenty of cases Ed

[cpileri]

Oh, I gotta look harder into these!

Here is picture of a hard plastic molded shotgun case, holding
a slug, without crimping, a company is experimenting with.
This one with light slug supposed to do over 2000 fps.

[hubel458]

Yeh they will probably get more attention now than the developers want.

The case is short but overall loaded length about same as 3" crimped case.

Similiar to the idea of melting regular plastic cases into grooves in the slugs

instead of crimping, that we looked at a little a while back.Ed

[Hogtamer]

That top one looks suspiciously like my old favorite Activ hull! What kind of pressure does that big old bullet generate down the bore?

[hubel458]

They say within SAAMI specs for rifled barrels, it is a HP copper or

brass in those 20ga pictured and about 285 gr ,so it can go

fast without to much pressure. Not more than mag turkey loads.

I'm thinking and checking along the same lines in our 24ga FH, .585" bore 24ga,

that if we could find good plastic cases and use a heating groove deal we could

possibly lock the 585 Minies with the grooves, in real tight, with a good thick case.Ed

[cpileri]

I sent Tarhunt an email. Will report back on what I find out.

[hubel458]

b.bertram1@bigpond.com

He is the MAN. Bruce Bertram has done the most for big bore shooting.

This forum has the honor to be the first to hear

that a fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has talked the MAN

into making him an order of the full length 12ga From Hell cases.

Drawn cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims.

Any wanting to get some, and get in on the run, contact him

at the email above right away... Ed

[No_1]

Ed,
YOU are the man! What an excellent thread. I have revised your title to "Slug Master" which seems very appropriate considering your contribution to this forum.

[hubel458]

Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double.
I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns.





The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
that we have, is the Magtech.


Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.


We told company if they did them with NEF style, rifled, heavy slug barrel,
for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.







Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed

[bikerbeans]

I must be a whimp, I have no desire to light off 275 grains of BP to push a 2 oz chunk of lead. That 8-bore is a very fine looking sxs.

BB

[hubel458]

We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
Kind of a neat suppressor,







Here is folder shotgun guys set up as 24ga FH.







Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.







Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..







Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc,
with a variety of bullets..Ed

[hubel458]

Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.





Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases





Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle mounted it on the bolt
further back, so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
Needs polishing and blueing, scope rail added.





Here is another picture of the PH 585HE with great looking stock.
Nice looking wood. Ed

[6pt-sika]

Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double.
I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns.

Now that gun floats my boat !

Same thing in a 10 or 12 bore ! Fully rifled or Paradox would work for me !

[hubel458]

There are guys on this Castboolits forum experimenting with
locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.


Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.

[hubel458]

Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from helix driver


wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to go in cup.


Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga one BPI has.











Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.


It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,


by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a


Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported


the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.











That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The


2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,


from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.


He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..


Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED

[hubel458]

Fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has worked with


Bertram and got the run of full length 12ga From Hell cases done.


Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims.


Any wanting to get some, contact Bertram at the email -----


b.bertram1@bigpond.com ......










Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal.......


.375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.


Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,


Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms


muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own gunsmith shop, will make


these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..




Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,


a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.


The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid was superb, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).











Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint Stock. These are super strong.


The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys doing them....... Ed

[hubel458]

Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan


Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case.







Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering


for our case as it came from production line,.







I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for singleshots.


We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE.


Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted


a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and


handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,









Here is picture of 585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat


375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also.

This is bolt for Lawton Mitch used in 375 wildcat to

win the two mile shoot. Ed

[hubel458]

Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in
a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job.




Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
published in Oct, now out for sale,







We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made by necking down our 585 HE.
The others couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different
shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the others...Got a bunch
guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. The 2 mile
shoot last year really got the interest booming for 375 necked from our case,


Here's how, size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks.


I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.


When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.


So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,


Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,


After priming, loading in the powder charge, we carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.


These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.


OVER 900 375HE cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another
bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.


All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed

[hubel458]

Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in


Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture














Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that


are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind


from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600 on


another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere,


We also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun, starting with


lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700,


Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders needed


to get that, and have info where to get powders. Reamer prints are


at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain... Ed....

[Hamish]

Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture

That rifle deserves a thread of its own,,,,,,.