12GA FH Slug Tester --

[hubel458]

The person or companies who take over will get the info on
where they are made and the costs from mfg is about a penny
less than what I'm charging on the latest sale prices
after I subtract shipping. Still don't pay gas to PO. Ed

[hubel458]

The sabots work in brass cases .First is sabot in a Magtech brass case,
next to 3" plastic.. In shorter brass it would hold about as much powder
as in longer plastic if loaded like in the picture..You'd use same loads
in the Magtech brass as you'd use in 3" plastic .
Sabots are about .734-735" with slugs in them, and
the Magtech brass with its thin sides still is slightly small OD at the
top compared to plastic, with sabot wedged in.



Next is sabot in RMC case, and sides are full thickness like plastic cases
at the mouth, so don't expand case to hold sabot. We have RMC make case
mouth ID to fit sabot. Sabot being little over fits barrels tight and rifling
impresses into plastic well and gets best spin, and being tight it leaves barrel
straight, with petals opening evenly. Brass case mouths are tight enough that
we push sabot in with a press.Saves trying to crimp heavy RMC case.



Here is picture of a barrel and barrel on a gun from 20 gauge singlshots that
will have the heavy 20ga rifled barrel in picture, mono-blocked into them.

[hubel458]

We've sold 2800 sabots in 5 weeks. 7200 left.
And they can make more of them.
Get them while they're hot.
Hot Damn...Starting to pickup a little.
MO, Check, or Paypal. Paypal easiest.

Min of 200- $47 shipping included
300- $65 sh inc-- 400- $83 sh inc..Ed

[hubel458]

About powders- The fast rifle powder we use in loads, which is still much slower
than shotgun powders is SR 4759......It is not 4756,,,I want to make
sure all know this, as I may have typed a 6 for a 9 somewhere.

We have moved 3700 sabots- still 6300 here. Ed

[jmort]

Just got my first 400 today and they are sweet. I'll try the slugs you included in the smooth bore and see what happens. Planning on doing a twin-ball .575 x2 x 290 grains for 580 grain payload. Will be ordering more.

[hubel458]

Here is 16ga discarding sabots made from grey ones with other 16ga slugs..
20 ga factory sabot on left for comparison.



Here is picture of 12ga wads showing good and bad support.



Here are 2 sabots on the right with super heavy tungsten slug. It is 1100gr,
but tungsten costs ten times what lead costs.



Here is a sabot home defense or close range defense load setup using our
sabot. It has five flattened 45cal balls in it. Flattened into a fat disc weighing
145gr each. You'd star crimp it or use card over them and roll crimp. Like
having a bunch of supersize flat buckshot, only super big.



Here is comparison picture of the 58cal slugs used in our 12ga sabots, with the
puny slugs used in many other sabots. And we've moved 5500 of the sabots.
Deer season is coming fast. Maybe time to get loads tested/sighted in is now.



Some more figures. The 24hr Campfire forums is first one, with our 12ga FH thread,
to get over half million thread views.The HighRoad second.
TheFiringLine third. AR fourth...Ed

[turbo1889]

I think choosing to make your sabot for 58-cal. boolits was a wise choice. It normally takes less spin and less muzzle velocity to sufficiently gyro stabilize most of the larger 58-cal. diameter boolits out of a 12ga. in a sabot compare to using 50-cal. The twist in the 12ga. rifled barrel slug guns varies between the companies making the barrels and even by model and vintage from the same company. Some of the guns with slower twists especially with loads at less then bruising, ultra-magnum, ultra-fast loads won't completely stabilize the smaller diameter boolits that take more spin. It's even worse with some sabots for the 12ga. that use 45-cal. boolits and very few guns have fast enough twists to properly stabilize those especially if you try to use longer heavier 45-cal. rifle boolits instead of pistol boolits.

Long story short, at least for the first few runs using the big 58-cal. inside the sabots for the 12ga. is most likely to give the best accuracy in the most guns for the widest velocity range and smaller caliber boolits inside the sabot will need more twist or more velocity or both to be sufficiently stabilized.

Long story short, I think you made the right choice there and the few loads I've tried out with them in rifled 12ga. slug guns have worked very well and they were slow for sabot loads at only about 1,600 muzzle velocity in an NEF barrel which is on the slower end of spectrum for twist rates.

[hubel458]

I figured that in guns with slightly slower twists that the
Minie style 58cal would stabilize easier, because of
hollow base. And in smooth with decent speed short range use.Ed

[littlejack]

OK fellas, while were on the same subject, BIG SLUGS, I need some of you'alls experienced information if you don't mind.
I have begun my project of getting into loading big slugs in my 870 Rem. It has a Hastings rifled barrel.
I have bought a mold and have cast up 40 good conical musket slugs. These mic at .688, and weigh 754 grains respectively.
I will be buying 3" hulls (probably Fiocchi) to utilize the 3" chamber properly (no jumping from 2 3/4" hulls to the grooves).
Anyway, what would be the best wad for my purpose? I am making a push-through sizer to make the slug fit mycomponents whenever I get them.
Question: Would BPI be able to help me over the phone when I order hulls? I have never delt with them.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Jack

[turbo1889]

Un-slit steel/non-toxic shot wad with your 68/69 caliber conical pressed tightly inside is your best bet. Personally I like the short length LBC wads from BPI but their petals are too thick and their internal diameter too small for the diameter of what you are working with there even with sizing them down since they work best with 63 to 65 caliber size inside them. I suggest you go look through BPI's selection of unslit steel/non-toxic wads and try to find the ones with the thinnest petal/wall thickness (for steel non-toxic that is isn't usually less then 0.03") and preferably a shorter length so you don't have to trim their length and see if you can get a good press in fit with your conical that isn't too tight in your guns bore.

[hubel458]

I use 69cal slugs sized to about.675" in the BPI
Helix Cushion driver 18, they came measuring .687". Ed

[littlejack]

Thank you very much fellas.
I will look on the BPI and see what I can find.
I am new to reloading these big slugs, so please bare with me. I was planning on using Blue Dot powder, as it is listed in many 1 5/8 oz. and heavier shot loads.
hubel, what kind of accuracy/groups are you getting with your 69 caliber slugs? What shotgun, smooth bore/ rifled bore are you shooting them in? I am glad that there are folks here that have experience with these loads, to ask questions.
Jack

[hubel458]

I just fired for chrono work in smooth barrel. In 3.5" case in a
break action I put heavy barrel on.. Got about 1900 with
100 gr of 4759. ED

[littlejack]

I'll bet ya, that would leave a mark.

[hubel458]

Recoil Not bad the gun was 14 lbs and thick pad. If I used a brass 3.5"
case I could done about 300 fps more in same gun.Ed

[hubel458]

We have moved few thousand sabots.More here.
Here is picture of an 8ga wad with tube slug in it, we made.



A pallet load of our 585HE cases has arrived in the US
and will be here in little while. And should be another pallet
of them this fall. Here is picture of our 585
with the solid turned CEB bullets in them.



Here is some helpful, simple math to help figure out the kinetic energy
of your loads, just by having bullet weight and speed.
Just put these multipliers which are used for each speed, on a list
and multiply by the bullet weight in grains. Fast and easy.Ed

Speed..Multiplier
1500------5
1600------5.7
1700------6.42
1800------7.2
1900------8
2000------9
2100------9.8
2200------10.75
2300------11.75
2400------12.8
2500------13.9
2600------15
2700------16.2
2800------17.4
2900------18.7
3000------20

[jmort]

That is some good info and some impressive components.

[cpileri]

Sir,
what is your load and esp wad column for the RMC case? I tried 50gr of Steel, then an X12X, then a .17hard/dark Nitro card, then the sabot and i have Lots of room left over in the 3.5"case.

I suppose I can just keep adding filler wads, but I wonder if you have something more elegant.
C-

Next is sabot in RMC case, and sides are full thickness like plastic cases
at the mouth, so don't expand case to hold sabot. We have RMC make case
mouth ID to fit sabot. Sabot being little over fits barrels tight and rifling
impresses into plastic well and gets best spin, and being tight it leaves barrel
straight, with petals opening evenly. Brass case mouths are tight enough that
we push sabot in with a press.Saves trying to crimp heavy RMC case.

[hubel458]

With Steel in 3.5" brass case I go to 65gr with 440gr in sabot.
And Use x12x seal and white felt wads to fill space. Nitro wads work.

A lot of room there which is why I really like using more of the
slower 4758. In brass use 90 to 105 gr. Also larger amounts RE17.
Some shops somewhere there or catalog dealers should
have 4759.. Mine always does here.Ed

[cpileri]

Sir!
Thank you again for all the info you provide.
Question on these loads:

These 4 top loads expanded case, where I check it, just above thick base section to .811" from .807" resized.
1000gr jacketed, 230gr HBMG, 1800 fps, 7200 ft lbs, with 1/8" card and 1/4" felt wad.
715gr jkt, 270gr HBMG, 2200, 7600 ft lbs, 1/8" card.
600gr Dixie, 250 gr Retumbo, 2400, 7600 ft lbs, 1/8" card.
385gr jkt AL core, 250 gr RL25,2900, 7200 ft lbs.

Is it safe to lower the powder charge (I know some powders are not safe w reduced loads)? Looking for any load data that wont cause case hed expansion/be safer for the NEF Ultra Slug Hunter? Not implying they arent safe pressure-wise, but perhaps a better way to say it is that i'm looking for loads easier on the brass. The two that really interest me are the 385gr Aluminum core and 1000gr jacketed slug load.

Thx!
C-